J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

plawolf

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I think the PM's press office wants to show it as his personal win and that's why maybe they're saying that this is an offer rather than a done deal or maybe the military is mulling over all this. J-35s and KJ-500s were more or less understood to be coming but PAF's also eyeing the GlobalEye and there's stuff from Turkey that we wanna buy too which unfortunately doesn't come with the payment plans that the Chinese offer us. Or maybe it's the HQ-19 that's the new thing in this package and which has changed stuff.

IDK why we would even need ABM systems like that as due to the proximity missiles are as good as landed the moment they're launched either by India or Pakistan. We need better AD systems and SEAD/DEAD assets. Or maybe our AD isn't that bad and the guys were really being too cautious or maybe the HQ-19 is shit. I have no clue what's going on this whole thing is spinning my head around.

HQ19 is ABM and will vastly degrade Indian nuclear delivery credibility against Pakistan if deployed.

Coupled with the recently demonstrated vast gulf in combat capabilities between the PAF and IAF, it means India will really struggle for a credible nuclear delivery method against Pakistan since their fighter aircraft can at best drop nuclear weapons as gravity bombs. That gulf will only grow larger once PAF gets J35s and KJ500s.

This completely package, once delivered and operationally deployed, will take a significant amount of pressure off Pakistan as far as worrying about Indian nuclear brinkmanship is concerned.
 

neutralobserver

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HQ19 is ABM and will vastly degrade Indian nuclear delivery credibility against Pakistan if deployed.

Coupled with the recently demonstrated vast gulf in combat capabilities between the PAF and IAF, it means India will really struggle for a credible nuclear delivery method against Pakistan since their fighter aircraft can at best drop nuclear weapons as gravity bombs. That gulf will only grow larger once PAF gets J35s and KJ500s.

This completely package, once delivered and operationally deployed, will take a significant amount of pressure off Pakistan as far as worrying about Indian nuclear brinkmanship is concerned.
Yes, I've been thinking about it and maybe Pakistan and China has some intelligence about upcoming/planned Indian war plans against Pakistan in the near future therefore these deals are being publicized to preempt those plans.
 

zyklon

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HQ19 is ABM and will vastly degrade Indian nuclear delivery credibility against Pakistan if deployed.

Coupled with the recently demonstrated vast gulf in combat capabilities between the PAF and IAF, it means India will really struggle for a credible nuclear delivery method against Pakistan since their fighter aircraft can at best drop nuclear weapons as gravity bombs. That gulf will only grow larger once PAF gets J35s and KJ500s.

This completely package, once delivered and operationally deployed, will take a significant amount of pressure off Pakistan as far as worrying about Indian nuclear brinkmanship is concerned.

Speaking of nuclear delivery, the induction of the J-35 into PAF service — which could occur within 2-3 years if the political will is there — will arm Pakistan with a low observable, crewed platform with a ~1,250km combat radius capable of threatening areas defended by modern IADS with nuclear PGMs.

While the value of such a surgical strike capability would be impeded by pre-emptive nuclear strikes against all PAF airbases potentially hosting J-35s, short of such an extreme scenario, neurotic Hindu nationalists are about to discover a new threat to freak out over on social media! :cool:
 

ENTED64

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HQ19 is ABM and will vastly degrade Indian nuclear delivery credibility against Pakistan if deployed.

Coupled with the recently demonstrated vast gulf in combat capabilities between the PAF and IAF, it means India will really struggle for a credible nuclear delivery method against Pakistan since their fighter aircraft can at best drop nuclear weapons as gravity bombs. That gulf will only grow larger once PAF gets J35s and KJ500s.

This completely package, once delivered and operationally deployed, will take a significant amount of pressure off Pakistan as far as worrying about Indian nuclear brinkmanship is concerned.
I don't think HQ-19 will change the nuclear calculus all that much. Pakistan probably can't afford that many HQ-19 and regardless ABMs are far from 100% perfect solutions. The political leadership would have to be really damn convinced it's 100% perfect to accept a nuclear war. This being the case nuclear weapons will remain off the table for the foreseeable future, HQ-19 or no HQ-19. The status quo of MAD will remain and I don't think right now any system either Pakistan or India could obtain would realistically change that. Neither side really has leverage over the other with nuclear brinksmanship and that's how it will remain.

Speaking of nuclear delivery, the induction of the J-35 into PAF service — which could occur within 2-3 years if the political will is there — will arm Pakistan with a low observable, crewed platform with a ~1,250km combat radius capable of threatening areas defended by modern IADS with nuclear PGMs.

While the value of such a surgical strike capability would be impeded by pre-emptive nuclear strikes against all PAF airbases potentially hosting J-35s, short of such an extreme scenario, neurotic Hindu nationalists are about to discover a new threat to freak out over on social media! :cool:
Similarly I don't really think India is or should be all that concerned about Pakistan using J-35s to deliver nuclear PGMs against India, nor would India contemplate a nuclear first strike to prevent that hypothetical from happening. Any of this would lead to massive nuclear war in short order and both sides know this. They're already locked in MAD, J-35s delivering nukes is just a straight up nuclear first strike, it's not gonna happen. As for crazy nationalists on social media freaking out, they'll do that regardless so that's just par for the course.

All of that is not to say that India should be unconcerned about Pakistan potentially getting J-35s. On the contrary this is a pretty bad development for India considering they're kind of in a bad spot with regards to 5th gen procurement. It will definitely give Pakistan an edge on the lower rungs of the escalation latter and as we have seen in 2019 and this year that is where conflicts are most likely to stay because well MAD. Indeed given the events of 2025 and both sides staying on their side of the border, with J-35s Pakistan can probably get a little closer (while still remaining on their side of the border just in case) and push the Indians further away with commensurate ensuing advantages in local battles near the border and such. IAF may be mostly pushed out of the AO and the Indians forced to resort to only using ground based munitions and drones like they were this year after their losses in the air.
 

jnd85

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Additionally, there is a noticeable gap between the front and rear wings of the two variants, as clearly highlighted and visible in the image.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that is just the larger wing size on the naval variant. The wings are bigger, so they extend back more. Need bigger wings for more lift and faster take off at lower speeds. Smaller wings need faster takeoff speed which needs longer runway.
 

northstar

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J-35 and HQ-19 will bring additional deterrent to Pakistani forces. I don't think Pakistan will be the offensive side, they just need to keep India at bay.
I tried to such it but couldn't find a concrete answer, what is the current power plant for J-35A, WS-19?
 

Hermes

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J-35 and HQ-19 will bring additional deterrent to Pakistani forces. I don't think Pakistan will be the offensive side, they just need to keep India at bay.
I tried to such it but couldn't find a concrete answer, what is the current power plant for J-35A, WS-19?
Pakistan is on an economic recovery path for now and we can’t afford conflicts to further us from this.

HQ-19, J-35 will put us 10 years ahead of India and the naval advancements are also going great. Multiple SHORAD systems under consideration after the learnings from the recent conflict.

This could give us breathing space.

Multiple PAF and gov sources have in the past claimed about J-35 and pilots in China for training. This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. The delivery timeline is the real question.

Our new FY budget was announced today and it saw a $1.8bn increase as compared to the previous year which is a drastic increase.
 
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