according to some, the Pakistani govt would have received clearance from the Chinese govt to announce this, HQ19 has international ramifications.
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according to some, the Pakistani govt would have received clearance from the Chinese govt to announce this, HQ19 has international ramifications.
Sadly all the military business stuff is very hush hush, most reports are old from early 2010's i think, back then they were in $10-14bn range, Pre covid just before the political mess(Pak military has various sub-factions, although they are more consolidated now after americans left afghanistan) there was some news about it reaching to $22-24Bn range, so its probably even more right now (these estimates include the informal/unreported stuff), almost 50-60% goes into Welfare/pensions/educations-scholarships/retirements those sort of things, rest is up to them how they use.
There is one from Kamra-aeronautical complex, I cant remember the person's name, he usually comes in many talk/night-shows, and this story has been repeated according to him back during musharaf days(during early years of afghan war) they were unsure of putting money into the jf17 program for acquisition(american money was coming into the country) and some factions within were thinking/hoping they would get newer usa-planes. Due to this division, military decided to use its own 'unofficial' funds for the procurement/manufacturing initially not taking from fed-budget. And in 2008 Pakistan got placed into FATF so their books came under scrutiny too (but military kept funding jf17 program on its own till they were off FATF)
They used to do this/involved in this but the recent FATF listing made them curb these, Chinese were against this too(Not to mention usa-pressure). This has been one of the unofficial contentious reasons of non-haqqani talibans fight with pakistan military, and its why they pivoted from gwadar to iran's chabahar port.
I am sorry I am new here, what is 'CN isolation' camp?
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You're absolutely right, if you go by the original source, it was just an offer regarding the J-35A, not a signed contract or anything close to delivery, despite what some are claiming.
Yeah, platforms like the FC-31/J-35, KJ-500s, and even the ZDK-03 upgrades have been on the radar for quite some time, well before any of the recent tensions or clashes. The only real question mark remains the HQ-19, both in terms of confirmed deployment and actual capability.
As for the J-35 itself, it still looks to be a couple of years away from entering service, so there’s nothing immediate there. The current focus clearly seems to be wrapping up the remaining J-10C deliveries and maybe even expanding that fleet.
Beyond that, much of the noise feels like narrative management: mostly hollow rhetoric and superficial posturing by what’s essentially a proxy setup operating under the PML-N banner.
It might not be completely isolationist but China has been a long time supplier of Pakistan so it doesn't rock the boat too much. Something that would break the isolationist claims completely would be providing similar weaponry to Iran or similarly sieged country though.
Agreed, I wanted to clarify it because it seemed like something that bothered some Chinese friends on the forum.
Huh according to this the J10C's along with the missiles will costs about 1.66 billion USD over the 11 years period(3 deferred)
I think it’s $1.4B, or $70 million per J-10C each with 12 PL-15s.
Maybe that is about $60m per plane?
4.15% interest rate on the 8 years (3 year deferred=no payment) makes the end cost about 1.66 billion usd equivalent (tho they pay in yuan now)
Question for more knowing folks about this possible deal for J-35, KJ-500, HQ-19, has there ever been the case in the past where the pakistani government (strictly the government, discounting any rumours/unofficial sources) made public offers on various chinese weapons systems that did not materialized in firm contracts/ deliveries? I see some argue that since at present it's only an offer it doesn't necessarily means it's a done deal, so trying to find out about such instances in the past.
A good example from the past would be the L-15 trainer, which was publicly discussed under the Pakistan Air Force banner as a potential purchase but never turned into a finalized contract or actual deliveries. This shows that public offers or official expressions of interest don’t always lead to firm deals.
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