Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[Phead128]

I do not think the J-35 a good example in this case. FC-31 was designed as a 5 gen land-based aircraft for export as we know. SAC took almost a decade to develop J-35 on top of it. There must have been significantly redesigns in the structure in addition to adding the visible features for carrier uses. While we might still call J-35 "a naval variant" of FC-31, its path of development should definitely not be repeated by PLANAF for their 6th gen carrier aircraft.

That's a fair point about the structural redesigns for navalized J-XDS. Just to clarify the timeline though .... the PLA Navy's involvement with a carrier variant was first reported in

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, with the J-35 prototype flying in

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. So the actual naval conversion took about 3 years once committed, rather than the full decade from the original FC-31 demonstrator.

But I agree, that development path probably isn't ideal for 6th gen. Starting with carrier operations in mind from day one would be more efficient than adapting a land-based design later. Though considering the J-35 and nuclear CATOBARs are still years away from entering service, there's plenty of time to navalize J-XDS once we see

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[Andy1974]

over the nose visibility is generally considered an imperative for naval aviation and the dimensions of this ones snout and the somewhat low-set position of the cockpit might require an reliance on synthetic vision. not having mk1 eyeball fallback is still yet unprecedented. i think a complete reliance on synthetic vision for landing on this thing would be a very expensive experiment.
but what do i know, maybe they have enough confidence in the current state of the technology to invest in it.

The carriers will have drones landing on them as well, this means that they will have algorithms and models which are capable of carrier landings without any pilot involvement at all.

At some point, which has probably already occurred, these algorithms will be better and safer than human pilots.

It won’t be controversial for the J-XDS to have a carrier auto landing feature, it will be soon be controversial or backward to allow human pilots to do the landings because of the risk.

 

[LurkerZhu]

Recently on the 'Chahuahui' radio, Yankee hinted the J50 will be equipped on a super huge large nuclear aircraft carrier. Both it and the fourth carrier (a sister ship of the Fujian) are already under construction.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Recently on the 'Chahuahui' radio, Yankee hinted the J50 will be equipped on a super huge large nuclear aircraft carrier. Both it and the fourth carrier (a sister ship of the Fujian) are already under construction.

How recent is that Chahuahui podcast you're saying? Because I do recall hearing/noticing largely similar things from the Guancha Trios (bar the J-XDS) from a couple months ago at the latest.

 

[FKAMtS4kE]

Recently on the 'Chahuahui' radio, Yankee hinted the J50 will be equipped on a super huge large nuclear aircraft carrier. Both it and the fourth carrier (a sister ship of the Fujian) are already under construction.

Does this imply the 4th ship will be conventionally powered?

 

[Deino]

Interesting profiles showing slightly different options / possible configurations of SAC's J-XDS

(Artwork by BKHF via @地产画匠 from Weibo)

 

[burritocannon]

my main objection is the angle of the forward section which is is depicted as having a somewhat downward, aggressive angling, when from the photos we've seen one of the most remarkable features is its upwards tilt, somewhat reminiscent of the buccaneer. id further like to point out the somewhat chisel-nosed, f-111esque radome profile. i think the cockpit seam isnt very accurate either, based more on what the artist would like to see rather than available data, but its a much more minor issue than the general profile.

 

[tphuang]

Also of note from that recent guancha podcast, they kind of confirmed this aircraft is also designed with naval version in mind.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Also of note from that recent guancha podcast, they kind of confirmed this aircraft is also designed with naval version in mind.

Not surprising. I don't think anyone seriously expects China to develop a third, completely new 6th-gen fighter with the sole purpose of carrier-based operations that is totally separate of the J-36 & J-XDS.

 

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