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Microguide Nano (LEADMICRO): Semiconductor equipment orders continue to grow rapidly, photovoltaic business demonstrates resilience​


  In 2024: the company achieved revenue of 2.7 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 61%; net profit attributable to shareholders of 227 million yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 16%; net profit attributable to shareholders after deducting non-recurring items of 187 million yuan, basically the same as the previous year; gross profit margin of 39.99%, a year-on-year decrease of 3.65pct; net profit margin of 8.40%, a year-on-year decrease of 7.70pct.

  2024Q4: The company achieved revenue of 1.156 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 76% and a month-on-month increase of 53%; net profit attributable to shareholders of the parent company was 0.76 billion yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 34% and a month-on-month decrease of 30%, mainly because the company, out of prudence, made provisions for credit and asset impairment of approximately 300 million yuan; non-net profit attributable to shareholders of the parent company was 0.73 billion yuan, basically flat year-on-year; gross profit margin was 42.18%, a year-on-year decrease of 3.44pct and a month-on-month increase of 3.90pct; net profit margin was 6.57%, a year-on-year decrease of 10.95pct and a month-on-month decrease of 7.68pct.

  2025Q1: The company achieved revenue of 510 million yuan, up 199% year-on-year; net profit attributable to the parent company was 84 million yuan, up 2254% year-on-year; gross profit margin was 36.14%, down 6.77pct year-on-year, down 6.04pct month-on-month, and the gross profit margin decreased from the same period to the previous month. We believe that the main reason is that the gross profit margin of photovoltaic equipment has declined, while the proportion of semiconductor equipment revenue has further increased; net profit margin was 16.48%, up 14.39pct year-on-year, up 9.91pct month-on-month, and the net profit margin increased significantly year-on-year, mainly because some of the company's R&D projects have achieved industrial application, and R&D investment has declined year-on-year after the completion of the project. The significant improvement in net profit margin month-on-month is attributed to the large impairment losses in 2024Q4.​

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1747846878063.png1747846971086.png   Photovoltaic equipment has grown rapidly against the trend, and semiconductor equipment has accelerated its volume growth. By product: 1) Photovoltaic equipment: Revenue of 2.3 billion yuan in 2024, up 53% year-on-year, gross profit margin of 40.67%, down 3.14pct year-on-year. The company's photovoltaic business maintains high growth against the trend, which on the one hand demonstrates the company's resilience as the leader of ALD, and on the other hand also shows that the battery segment with rapid technological iteration has strong risk resistance. 2) Semiconductor equipment: Revenue of 327 million yuan in 2024, up 168% year-on-year, and the proportion of revenue increased by about 5pct year-on-year to 12%, gross profit margin of 27.68%, up 0.44pct year-on-year. The semiconductor business is accelerating, and profitability is not strong at this stage. We believe that it is mainly due to the low gross profit margin of some confirmed verification orders. With the gradual confirmation of high-gross-profit repeated batch orders, the gross profit margin is expected to quickly increase to a level no less than that of photovoltaic equipment.

  There are sufficient orders on hand, and semiconductor equipment orders continue to grow rapidly. As of the end of 2024, the company had 6.772 billion yuan in orders on hand, of which 5.188 billion yuan, 1.505 billion yuan and 79 million yuan were in the photovoltaic, semiconductor and emerging application fields, respectively. Semiconductor equipment orders on hand increased by 65.91% year-on-year, accounting for 22%, and the proportion of newly signed orders increased significantly to 33%.​


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There is a real need to reduce reliance on American platform and component suppliers like Google and Qualcomm, respectively.

The fact that the U.S. can cripple a major Chinese tech firm by denying access to essential platforms or components represents an unacceptable vulnerability.

Well done Xiaomi
It is in fact acceptable, because that's the reality. In fact, China can also cripple major US tech firms, but it just has not chosen to do so.

Instead of blaming Xiaomi, why don't you blame any of the other parts of Chinese semi industries how chose not to work with domestic suppliers before October 2022?

Xiaomi has to start somewhere. By developing its own design prowess, it can use domestic fabs once that becomes a reality.
 

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What Xiaomi did is not "wrong," but their "Jai Hind" tactics are becoming more and more extreme. They and their influencers are misleading the public by claiming the chip is completely "self-developed" and directly comparing Xuanjie to Kirin, while neglecting to mention that their chips are fabbed at TSMC.

This appeal to patriotism is particularly two-faced given than Xiaomi executives were publically celebrating when Huawei got sanctioned for the first time. And this is on top of Xiaomi's other high-profile incidents in the last few months: SU7 crashes, SU7 Ultra false marketing, mobilizing their influencers and internet army to defame their competitors, stealing IP from competitors, etc.

Also, there is a regional rivalry aspect to this as Beijing's tech giants (Baidu, Xiaomi, Lenovo) have failed to become world leaders in the same way their Hangzhou and Shenzhen counterparts have, hence the Beijing governments eagerness to promote Xiaomi's "3 nm breakthrough."
 

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What Xiaomi did is not "wrong," but their "Jai Hind" tactics are becoming more and more extreme. They and their influencers are misleading the public by claiming the chip is completely "self-developed" and directly comparing Xuanjie to Kirin, while neglecting to mention that their chips are fabbed at TSMC.

This appeal to patriotism is particularly two-faced given than Xiaomi executives were publically celebrating when Huawei got sanctioned for the first time. And this is on top of Xiaomi's other high-profile incidents in the last few months: SU7 crashes, SU7 Ultra false marketing, mobilizing their influencers and internet army to defame their competitors, stealing IP from competitors, etc.

Also, there is a regional rivalry aspect to this as Beijing's tech giants (Baidu, Xiaomi, Lenovo) have failed to become world leaders in the same way their Hangzhou and Shenzhen counterparts have, hence the Beijing governments eagerness to promote Xiaomi's "3 nm breakthrough."
don't spoil this thread with your hatred against Xiaomi.

even a roadside kid knows, China don't have 3nm process. its very obvious their chip Fabbed by TSMC. so Xiaomi couldn't even brag about this. China is already at leading edge when it comes chip design so Xiaomi domestic chip is not a big deal.
 
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don't spoil this thread with your hatred against Xiaomi.

even a roadside kid knows, China don't have 3nm process. its very obvious their chip Fabbed by TSMC. so Xiaomi couldn't even brag about this. China is already at leading edge when it comes chip design so Xiaomi domestic chip is not a big deal.

Is fab hard which requires TSMC to do it for Xiaomi?

I thought US has ban most of the high end chip tech and exports so why is TSMC still fab for China?
 

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Wolfspeed is market leader with more than
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US cannot just let Wolfspeed go.

Bankrupt protection is not the end of the road, they just want to restructure the debt with creditors....but I guess someone will buy them and keep them running.

US can easily force automotive manufacturers that want to sell in US to stop using China SiC (actually this is a very predictable move) and Wolfspeed will reborn into a second life.

My bet is to wait a bit for things to calm down and then even buy
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You mean buying the shares of wolf while it is cheap? That would be very volatile for the regular investors.
 

sunnymaxi

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Is fab hard which requires TSMC to do it for Xiaomi?

I thought US has ban most of the high end chip tech and exports so why is TSMC still fab for China?
China is at 5nm/7nm right now.. so for domestic 3nm Xiaomi just need to wait a little.

i don't think so, US outright ban below 7nm to all Chinese companies.

all those companies actually comes under US entity list like Huawei , Ai companies and many CPU/GPU firms are banned.
 
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don't spoil this thread with your hatred against Xiaomi.

even a roadside kid knows, China don't have 3nm process. its very obvious their chip Fabbed by TSMC. so Xiaomi couldn't even brag about this. China is already at leading edge when it comes chip design so Xiaomi domestic chip is not a big deal.

Even a roadside kid knows? You severely overestimate how much the average person knows about semiconductors. And the fact of the matter is that Xiaomi did brag about being the first "domestic self-developed 3 nm chip." Their influencers are also muddying the waters by claiming they surpassed Huawei. These are facts. I'm not sure how this qualifies as hatred against Xiaomi.
 

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Xiaomi's chip is in fact self developed. And their chip is better than Kirin chips. That's a fact.

Xiaomi doesn't claim to be a chip maker. It designs chips much like Apple and Qualcomm. It's designed numerous chips up to this point. And it's great they have moved on to designing the main SoC.

There is in fact no reason to attack Xiaomi just because you like Huawei more. Any more on that will be deleted, because it's frankly a waste time and space.
 

henrik

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Xiaomi's chip is in fact self developed. And their chip is better than Kirin chips. That's a fact.

Xiaomi doesn't claim to be a chip maker. It designs chips much like Apple and Qualcomm. It's designed numerous chips up to this point. And it's great they have moved on to designing the main SoC.

There is in fact no reason to attack Xiaomi just because you like Huawei more. Any more on that will be deleted, because it's frankly a waste time and space.

Where was this picture taken? Was it in China itself? It looks like wolfspeed has many Asian staff.

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