The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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Yall are just coping about network and AWAC. This is plain obvious J-10 did dominate Rafale regardless. Rafale never detected PL-15 launch or J-10C in range of its launch. Otherwise it would not have returned base uneventfully. Its ECM suit is entirely outmatched by newer gen missile, and its detection range is anemic compared to J-10's radar, and most likely got jammed to hell. Meanwhile J-10 was able to fire beyond range that Rafale could respond, and do it in a way not alerting the enemy. While AWAC is helpful for detection, J-10 obtaining a fire solution at extreme range is its own merit, and Rafale's 'quasi-5th gen stealth' is proven completely non-sense, unable to escape any modern radar, even at BVR range.
Are these not evidence of Rafale's failure? Are these not contrary of what it is often marketed as? Are these not demonstration of J-10's superior capability regardless of network and AWAC? You can have all the network, the plane still must be good enough to exploit the advantage, and be good enough on its own in some aspects because those parts network cannot help with. Are we just going to dismiss EVERYTHING into networks and disregard a superior platform?
Are these not evidence of Rafale's failure? Are these not contrary of what it is often marketed as? Are these not demonstration of J-10's superior capability regardless of network and AWAC? You can have all the network, the plane still must be good enough to exploit the advantage, and be good enough on its own in some aspects because those parts network cannot help with. Are we just going to dismiss EVERYTHING into networks and disregard a superior platform?
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I don’t think RWR receiver triggered… I think at the last minute MAWS kicked in though. Otherwise we wouldn’t have seen the deployment of flares in the shoot down video.
FriedRiceNSpice
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BVRAAMs with AESA seekers are a fairly recent development. If the PL-15s seeker operates in a LPI mode, then current RWR suites may not be able to recognize the threat.
Have we seen the IAF Chief post May 7th? If we apply the same standard MSM does to China is it safe to assume that he has been purged by Modi?
Btw it's an interesting detail - if i remember correctly, Spectra(as many other modern self-defense systems) idenitifies threat based on combination of RWR and MAWS feed - i.e. it shouldn't throw flares at radar missile.
If RWR is blind, however, missile may be classified as IR one.
How could it tell if it is a radar missile? Based on emissions from the seeker? If so then maybe it is as you said — it couldn’t tell because of LPI mode. This is why I’ve been asking whether flares and chaff are packed in the same tube in Rafale… many fighters do that, but others cut them and dispense them on the fly…
In other news, the French are investigating first hand.
yeah, survivability is an issue for that. networked J-35s providing data to AWACS is probably good enough.
I think even if we don't think highly of Indian air defense, the potential for improvement over next 10 years is still quite high, just because the increased computation power, sensors and AI that is becoming available.
The good news is that the Indian long range SAMs aren't likely to improve over that time period, so any J-35s delivered to Pakistan is likely to have quite a bit of success against what is obviously going to be a legacy system by then.