The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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I was surprised to find out that Bangladesh's economy is now about the same size as Pakistan's, despite the latter having 50% more population.
I don't think anyone is optimistic about Pakistan's future, as well as the long term position vs India.
Fortunately, by that point, China will likely have established a stronger foothold in the Indian Ocean region and be in a better position to play a larger role.
But first, a certain island needs to be dealt with...
I don't think anyone is optimistic about Pakistan's future, as well as the long term position vs India.
Fortunately, by that point, China will likely have established a stronger foothold in the Indian Ocean region and be in a better position to play a larger role.
But first, a certain island needs to be dealt with...
Wasn't there confirmation from both sides?
Pakistan has a large undocumented informal economy - estimated to be around 400 billion in size (which is almost same as the documented economy. Pakistan needs to get rid of the cash (since that is huge part of the undocumented economy) and implement major reforms so that can be integrated into the documented economy.
Yes Su-57 has a highly developed EW suite, but I'd say its distinguishing factor vs. the Rafale is that it is an actual LO plane with IWBs. Yes there's also off-axis AESA panels and stuff on the Su-57 but the 1 thing that 100% can't change is the shaping, unless its a new plane.
The 'higher prestige factor of French tech' is basically west worship. Modi thought that French = west and west = best. It's a very simple minded colonial mentality. I don't think they did a truly serious evaluation of what acquisition would be better for India's future. I don't think they do that in general, otherwise India would not be India.
For the amount of money they spent on the Rafale, they could've made a major difference in the Su-57 delivery timeline.
It went through some stages,
Trump's declaration
India/Pakistan declaration without mention of US involvement
Acknowledgement of involvement but for opposing ends ie, Pakistan implies India called the US to get the ball rolling and so on.
But now the ceasefire is broken so what does it matter anyways.
allegedly only that they negotiated on their own
I am also noticing that there seems to be a serious rift between the Pakistani military and the civilian government. Despite numerous statements by several senior Pakistani civilian officials, the Pakistani military believes that the war is not over and continued to attack Indian positions tonight. This could be a response to India's previous attacks on Pakistani air bases, shortly before the Trump administration agreed to a ceasefire.
Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif appears to be a loyalist to the Americans and the military leadership is increasingly turning towards China.
The ceasefire is a virtual fruit of negotiations between the civilian government and the Americans. Rubio was the initiator of blocking Vance's project on the India-Pakistan conflict. At some point, Vance tried to hijack these "peace talks", mainly by watching Trump's reaction. But the mechanisms have been triggered and the Chinese point of view is not taken into account by either Vance or Rubio, which sabotages the entire process.
Speaking of this, in the US, there is a certain competition for the focus of attention, influence and military budgets - the priority ones are Indians (Vance and others), Iranians (Whitkoff), medium-intensity ones - Ukrainians, outsiders are Panamanians-Latin Americans (Rubio, also indirectly the Philippines), Canadians-Greenlanders. All of them are naturally anti-Chinese. It seems that the Taiwanese scenario itself almost does not exist, because the people in power in Taiwan are friends with the US Democratic Party, with whom there is no money to be made (only the Pentagon).
So far, the Indian scenario has been the best, the calmest, but it seems to have moved forward more. In some way, both the Indian and Canadian issues are linked to Vance, perhaps because Canada has a strong Indian lobby.
Speaking of the military aspects, a war between Pakistan and India will demonstrate China's ability to wage a full-scale war. So far, China is winning—and Washington is not happy about it.
One of the important aspects of the current Indo-Pakistani (US-China) confrontation from the Chinese side is that Pakistan is overseen by the vice chairman of the Central Military Commission, Zhang Youxia, and consequently, Pakistan’s successes are its successes, and vice versa. Amid the turmoil in China’s top military leadership, Pakistan’s operation will play a key role for Xi Jinping’s military ally. Zhang Youxia previously inspected nuclear forces in Sichuan, the theater of operations for which India is responsible. It is also home to a Chinese aircraft manufacturing base.
China and the US may also inevitably enter into a space intelligence rivalry in the Pakistan-Indian sector of their global confrontation: China will coordinate Pakistani troop actions through its satellite network, and the US will coordinate India’s actions.
China currently has 267 satellites, including 115 for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and another 81 that monitor military electronics and signals. It is a network that dwarfs its regional competitors, including India, and is second only to the United States.
Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif appears to be a loyalist to the Americans and the military leadership is increasingly turning towards China.
The ceasefire is a virtual fruit of negotiations between the civilian government and the Americans. Rubio was the initiator of blocking Vance's project on the India-Pakistan conflict. At some point, Vance tried to hijack these "peace talks", mainly by watching Trump's reaction. But the mechanisms have been triggered and the Chinese point of view is not taken into account by either Vance or Rubio, which sabotages the entire process.
Speaking of this, in the US, there is a certain competition for the focus of attention, influence and military budgets - the priority ones are Indians (Vance and others), Iranians (Whitkoff), medium-intensity ones - Ukrainians, outsiders are Panamanians-Latin Americans (Rubio, also indirectly the Philippines), Canadians-Greenlanders. All of them are naturally anti-Chinese. It seems that the Taiwanese scenario itself almost does not exist, because the people in power in Taiwan are friends with the US Democratic Party, with whom there is no money to be made (only the Pentagon).
So far, the Indian scenario has been the best, the calmest, but it seems to have moved forward more. In some way, both the Indian and Canadian issues are linked to Vance, perhaps because Canada has a strong Indian lobby.
Speaking of the military aspects, a war between Pakistan and India will demonstrate China's ability to wage a full-scale war. So far, China is winning—and Washington is not happy about it.
One of the important aspects of the current Indo-Pakistani (US-China) confrontation from the Chinese side is that Pakistan is overseen by the vice chairman of the Central Military Commission, Zhang Youxia, and consequently, Pakistan’s successes are its successes, and vice versa. Amid the turmoil in China’s top military leadership, Pakistan’s operation will play a key role for Xi Jinping’s military ally. Zhang Youxia previously inspected nuclear forces in Sichuan, the theater of operations for which India is responsible. It is also home to a Chinese aircraft manufacturing base.
China and the US may also inevitably enter into a space intelligence rivalry in the Pakistan-Indian sector of their global confrontation: China will coordinate Pakistani troop actions through its satellite network, and the US will coordinate India’s actions.
China currently has 267 satellites, including 115 for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and another 81 that monitor military electronics and signals. It is a network that dwarfs its regional competitors, including India, and is second only to the United States.
Pakistani PM tweet directly attributed to Trump.
Indians are again spreading disinfo, their country is too great to require any third party intervention.
Military has the final say I think. Imran Khan was pretty much couped because he didn’t have military support.