The Kashmir conflict 2025.

[GiantPanda]

Even the French are lying now omg. But I’d like to commend the French people for honestly reporting this. Maybe my expectations are just too low from dealing with Indians?


Yeah if the IAF stops doing big glitzy offensives with high valued aerial assets (which they suck at) and go for massed drone attacks like how Iran has successfully pulled it off it can be a major headache.

India has no capacity for drone manufacturing. Their larger drones come from the US and Israel at huge expense. Their smaller are basically DJI or composed of parts from China. India is not Iran (or Turkey) in drones.

If used in massed attack after a first wave, it is unlikely Indians will be able to replenish their numbers. They would be more like Ukraine where they are using drones and loitering ammo piecemeal.

Last week, there was a drone show in Vietnam by a Chinese company using a swarm of 10000. In a hellscape of drones, I think only China can sustain weeks or months of this kind of warfare.

Would love to see a swarm of this sort tested in Kashmir with thousands of drones hitting remote hill camps and chasing Indian soldiers through the nooks and crannies of moubtains before exploding in their faces.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Hi,
@siegecrossbow , @Deino, guys a Qs for you is it possible for a fighter pilot
to record all the video evidence till all the way from firing Pl15 till it find its target
after returning back to base, then share it with base commander etc
if this my assumption is true, then Pakistan might have shared this video evidence
with China already if not with France or might be shared with Qatar to share it with
France,
if possible to answer my thought
thank you

At 100KM you can’t record video evidence for obvious reasons. But the aircraft should have a record of when weapon is fired, radar tracking for the target, acquisition lock, and when the “enemy” disappears. That evidence can be shared with PLAAF and AVIC, who most likely are eager to glean any important data from them.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

Sure enough this aerial battle is the topic of Shilao and Yankee's stream today, it's starting now:
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Ayi is represented by that stuffed doll because he's in Moscow for the victory parade.

They made a mistake smh, and thought there is (allegedly) no Mirage

But that's because there's a misinfo. The Pakistani Minister said there is a Mirage which got interpreted as a Mig 29 by social media

Rafale + Mirage + Flanker(s) is actually more significant than just Rafale +Flankers

According to Ishaq Dar, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Pakistan, 5 Indian jets (3x Rafale, 1x Su-30, 1x Mirage) were downed and they were all downed by J-10C

Timestamp 7:00

 

[siegecrossbow]

They made a mistake smh, and thought there is (allegedly) no Mirage

But that's because there's a misinfo. The Pakistani Minister said there is a Mirage which got interpreted as a Mig 29 by social media

Rafale + Mirage + Flanker(s) is actually more significant than just Rafale +Flankers

Basically every top tier IAF asset got hit. Very bad look.

 

[Observer1]

Can someone compile footage of each wreckage site and the likely aircraft it belongs to?

I think the most conclusively convincing evidence we have is of the Rafale.

 

[Ringsword]

At 100KM you can’t record video evidence for obvious reasons. But the aircraft should have a record of when weapon is fired, radar tracking for the target, acquisition lock, and when the “enemy” disappears. That evidence can be shared with PLAAF and AVIC, who most likely are eager to glean any important data from them.

Yes ,indeed the entire radar picture /tape would be a true eye-opener and unfortunately very highly classified.Had some nagging worriesabout the efficacy of the J10c's EWsuite against the Rafale's vaunted Spectra EWsuite but it's okay now .Also the valuable SIGINT/ELINT collected by the AWACS/J10's itself will help China improve her missiles/EWsuites -good few days-no sleep but well worth it.

 

[bsdnf]

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Allegedly another picture of this PL-15E

If I remember correctly, PL-15E debris with the No.12203023 seeker should have been found in a village near Amritsar during the day on May 7,

Explosions were heard in multiple villages again near Amritsar in the early morning of the May 8, and 9M96 debris fired by the Indian S-400 were found in Jethuwal during the day.

Now the Indian media seem to be muddying the waters, mixing up the two events, claiming that the PL-15E was intercepted by a 9M96 in the early morning of the 8th (what?)

(Nice shoes, btw)

 

[siegecrossbow]

Can someone compile footage of each wreckage site and the likely aircraft it belongs to?

I think the most conclusively convincing evidence we have is of the Rafale.

The ejection seat from MKI or Fulcrum is pretty convincing too.

 

[Ringsword]

I mean their air chief literally said in an interview that Chinese deployed 5x J20's for 1x Rafale because Chinese were scared of Rafales. Peak Delusional Nation.

I expected better from the IAF Air Chief-but maybe not (can't imagine the top PLAAF general spewing such nonsense).A fully armed/full kit up to date J20xx especially working in tandem with KJ3000 AWAC in a PLAAF dominated fully integrated air battle space might very well kill half a squadron of lesser 4 gens like Rafale by itself let alone a flight of J20's-the Rafales won't even detect the jets that will kill them-let that fact sink in to our adversaries.China's upcoming 6th gen J36/J50 are still another magnitude greater-wow.

 

[bsdnf]

If I remember correctly, PL-15E debris with the No.12203023 seeker should have been found in a village near Amritsar during the day on May 7,

Explosions were heard in multiple villages again near Amritsar in the early morning of the May 8, and 9M96 debris fired by the Indian S-400 were found in Jethuwal during the day.

Now the Indian media seem to be muddying the waters, mixing up the two events, claiming that the PL-15E was intercepted by a 9M96 in the early morning of the 8th (what?)

(Nice shoes, btw)

Regarding the explosions over India on the night of the 7th and the early morning of the 8th, the various parties said:

Initially, the Pakistani media reported that it was an attack by the Pakistani military

Then the Indian media said it was an Indian military exercise

Now the Indian Ministry of Defense says it was an attack by Pakistan

But Pakistani officials said they have not launched any attacks on India

what a cognitive warfare