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In4ser

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The dude is using diapers.

The entire world and including your country is going to be a collectivist society if this hysteria continues on,
Nah, I think we'd self-destruct before that happens. Individualism runs deep in this country. 'Murica is not a homogenous ethnostate like China. There are too many different identities that are prioritized over the common good, like race, religion, and ideologies. I don't even know what it means to be "American" anymore. Besides, when times get tough, people become selfish, and collectivist structures tend to crumble. It will likely become a patchwork of smaller states, possibly like the Warring States/Warlord period. That said, I'm more confident about Texas than most other states (looking at you, California).
The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term.
"I'd just like to leave everyone with a prime dystopian vision .... The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term."

I thought you said "dystopian," not "utopian."
He brags about Eugenics but unintentionally creates a race of Orcs. I thought Elves were supposed to be the master race!
 

pmc

Colonel
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China's policy making is much more flexible than Japan or Korea's with much more levers to pull. Also, Korea and Japan's super low fertility problem started much earlier than China's. And China is already developing a system for
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Japan has slow decline. below 1m only came around 2016 but now it has accelerated. Japan wealthy country by Asian standards and can attract alot of people but the Japan as a power decline will be next to impossible to reverse. even reaching TFR of 2 will not change the trajectory. Japan is the most studied country and obviously Soft Powers cannot write everything in public otherwise Europeans and Japanese would know about it so they give this task to some one no can complain. this just last two years.

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Japan's birth rate falls for ninth consecutive year​


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Births in Japan are at a record low and the population is at its lowest point by the largest margin​


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Japan records its largest population decline in 73 years​

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Record decline in Japan's population​

 

Eventine

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People are talking about birth rates here. I don't think people are paying enough attention to the fact a lot of people struggle to fulfill the basic needs of having a stable long term job with full health benefits and decent pay, a house they can pay off, a car, getting married etc. Something that will affect most countries. India for example is already below replacement birth rate and they were supposed to be hyped for it.

This is just a basic milestone for a lot of men for example. Yet I think a lot are going to struggle to meet it in the future. Its not even that countries are lacking the money. Its just due to science and technology as well as the way the workforce develops, a lot of jobs are going away while the number of educated workers keeps going up and the requirements to even achieve the first one keeps going up as competition increases. And this problem spreads into many other fields.

So we already have so many problems before even thinking about having kids which is going to be another set of difficulties.

Honestly Im surprised this isn't talked about more. I think governments, think thanks etc dont wanna talk about it because this is a much more dire and urgent problem which they have no solution for so far.
Governments are mainly just looking at each other; none of them have a clue on how to solve it, so they stopped talking about it to avoid making empty promises.

But South Korea recently raised its marriage rate by ~20% in 2024; that's a significant improvement that other governments should be paying attention to, as marriage rates are one of the biggest contributors to fertility. Just for comparison, China's marriage rate dropped by ~20% in the same year.

People really underestimate the destructive effects of low fertility, mainly because they haven't experienced it for any significant period of time. Ask the Japanese, who have experienced it, and how their country went from one of the most competitive, innovative economies in the world, to a nation of dinosaurs who let every opportunity in the last twenty years slip by.
 
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iewgnem

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Just because you have a greater margin for error does not mean that it will develop a solution, assuming there is even one. If anything it might prolong the malaise of the decline and allow a smaller and less densely populated country like Japan or Korea to recover and adapt much more quickly from their fall. The large size of the Qing Empire made it difficult to enact reforms and modernize while smaller nations were able to change more quickly, like small start-ups vs big conglomerates with technological shifts.

Abundance isn't the main issue, otherwise, third-world nations wouldn't have the highest fertility rates. China had much more fertility when it was poorer and less developed. It's selectiveness. Men who don't want to marry women who don't look like Douyin models and women being hypergameous and disdain lower-status men, and so both don't settle until it's too late. They watch porn, k-pop, anime and romance novels and have unrealistic expectations of life and already live in a high pressure society to succeed. As would be parents who only want the very best for their kids, so instead of just having them, they keep waiting until they feel confident enough either in their career or wealth to do but they never find the right moment. That competitive mindset to outdo each other for status is what creates a societal bottleneck. It creates artificial scarcity of space and resources where there might not be one, as the desire to be on top, means you must impose and monopolize advantages and hinder others success. When you are poor and have few options, you make do and just go for but when you have options, you bid your time until it's too late. Perhaps this is simply a natural limiter placed on population, like a behavioral sink for humans.
- The ability to change policies is precisely China's advantage right now, or have you not been paying attention to China being the only country able to divert real estate to manufacturing, or cracking down on big tech, or finance? Tell me which country, big or small, has been able to successfully make even a fraction of the reforms China has made? And equally important, why do you think China made them?

- Poor countries have higher birth rate because it's not about wealth alone, it's about the time-cost of expectations, it's how much time you have expend to achieve the life you expect, and it does not actually cost as much time to achieve one's expected lifestyle if they expects to be poor due to an actual lack of pathway to higher standards.

- Similarity the reason there was a baby boom after WW2 was because the war lowered everyone's expectations, so the surge in relative wealth as the war ended, combined with very low expectations from war rationing made it easy for everyone to achieve their low expectations.

This is why abundance is very important, yes people will always compare themselves with others, and the internet does promote unrealistic expectations, but at end of the day a person who only have to work 5, maybe even 4 days a week, and can easily afford everything, including housing, will have more actual, physical ability to seek out relations and start a family.

Expectations aren't linear, people don't actually hold out on relationships waiting for the perfect partner, unrealistic expectations might delay relationships, but it's the inability to achieve material expectations that prevents people from starting families. This isn't a theory, it's well known, if only from observed surge in birth rates from direct cash handouts.

Clearly Beijing understands this and it's why they went after real estate and finance and invested heavily in robotics and manufacturing. China's objective is abundance, China is the only one that actually demonstrated the agility to make structural changes to achieve it, the only one with the actual ability to achieve it, and the only one with a culture that aims to distributes wealth evenly so abudance can be experienced by everyone.

The fate of Japan and Korea isn't China's problem, they can spend all day arguing China will suffer just like them, but while they're doing that, China has already acted.
 
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