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[Sardaukar20]

Blame is 100% on the Italian company which had majority in the joint venture. Chances are the Chinese company was just there to take a profit share, not involved with whatever lazy shit euros + corrupt locals do. Its a match made in hell, sleazy euros coming more to watch ladyboys than do real work + ppl who don't give a shit how their own country stuff is built.

None of these developers from China ever experience issues inside China (or when working alone). It's when they expand profits by buying shares into things built by culturally lazy ppl that things can go wrong. And remember in all those countries, their domestic designed infrastructure is also bad. That tells me clearly where the problem sits.

The Italian company was the architect, not the builder. The civil work, aka C&S (Civil & Structural) is done by a whole different group of people, ranging from the C&S consultant to the C&S contractor (who is usually the main contractor), and other subcontractors. The China Railway No. 10 Engineering Group, despite being part of a JV, is the main C&S contractor, as far as I'm concerned. European companies doing the architect work and design, while Chinese firms doing the construction is actually quite common. 99% of the time, this works beautifully. But in this one case, most of the blame lies with the Chinese company doing the C&S work.

I would defend the Chinese nation without question, but I will not defend Chinese bad actors, especially those who have a questionable track record. I'm not a Jai China. Majority of Chinese construction companies are okay, but there are still some bad apples. I do not know why the bad apples tend to be SOEs. I thought the Chinese government would hold them up to higher standards, but I don't pretend to know why.

 

[Biscuits]

The Italian company was the architect, not the builder. The civil work, aka C&S (Civil & Structural) is done by a whole different group of people, ranging from the C&S consultant to the C&S contractor (who is usually the main contractor), and other subcontractors. The China Railway No. 10 Engineering Group, despite being part of a JV, is the main C&S contractor, as far as I'm concerned. European companies doing the architect work and design, while Chinese firms doing the construction is actually very common. 99% of the time, this works beautifully. But in this one case, most of the blame lies with the Chinese company doing the C&S work.

Ridiculous. If a Chinese owned and designed (meaning a Chinese team sat down and decided it would be made this way) building collapsed in the USA and an American company was one of those owning stock on it and helping organizing construction subcontractors, according to you, the right call is that the blame lies with the American company??? Is that the same way most Americans and US media would see things too???

We will not apply any standard to ourselves that isn't the world average standard.

I would defend the Chinese nation without question, but I will not defend Chinese bad actors, especially those who have a questionable track record. I'm not a Jai China. Majority Chinese companies are okay, but there are still some bad apples. I do not know why the bad apples tend to be SOEs. I thought the Chinese government would hold them up to higher standards, but I don't pretend to know why.

Good thing this has nothing to do with how you should view China and everything to do with the responsible party owning up to their mistakes.

This never happens in China or when (major) Chinese companies go solo. If you introduce a spoon of shit into a cake and it now tastes like shit, is it more likely the fault of the cake or the shit? In this case, it wasn't even that but more like introducing a spoon of cake on a heap of shit.

 

[Sardaukar20]

That depends on if the TMD has been installed yet or not.

You need to explain to the lay person what TMD means. The TMD aka Tuned Mass Damper is not common in Thai buildings. Bangkok is not a known earthquake zone, so it is not mandatory to install one. Nobody had expected the earthquake waves to hit as far out as Bangkok. That is more than 1000km away. And this is a once-in-a-century earthquake.

In any case, the rest of the Bangkok's high rise do not have TMDs, and most of them had people are living and working in them. Yet non have collapsed. The under-construction building that collapsed had its main structures already built. From an engineering standpoint, it should not have collapsed. So we need to see what the investigation finds out. But the initial findings of sub quality steel used in the construction is not looking good for the Chinese construction company involved in its construction.

 

[ismellcopium]

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Sichuanmp needs to go find the balls he dropped sometime in 2020. Still no bombers over Iran & troops in Mexico, absolutely unacceptable cowardice.

 

[Randomuser]

I keep hearing people say haha the only building that collapsed in Thailand was a Chinese one.

Were there any other tall incompleted buildings in the area though? Be cause otherwise you're comparing apples to oranges here. Apart from building the main structure, there's still a lot of work that needs to be done esp for safety measures before a building esp a tall one can be marked as complete.

I'm also pretty sure a lot of buildings that weren't affected in that area were also chinese. But hey China bad amirite

 

[Sardaukar20]

Ridiculous. If a Chinese owned and designed (meaning a Chinese team sat down and decided it would be made this way) building collapsed in the USA and an American company was one of those owning stock on it and helping organizing construction subcontractors, according to you, the right call is that the blame lies with the American company??? Is that the same way most Americans and US media would see things too???

I don't think you understand what are you trying to argue. Do you even understand how construction project works? I already said that the Italian company is the architect. The owner of the building is the Thai government. The investor is China. And the main C&S contractor is China Railway No. 10 Engineering Group. Let them investigate who is at fault. But based on preliminary results, and the history of that Chinese company, things are looking bad for it.

We will not apply any standard to ourselves that isn't the world average standard.

Good thing this has nothing to do with how you should view China and everything to do with the responsible party owning up to their mistakes.

This never happens in China or when (major) Chinese companies go solo. If you introduce a spoon of shit into a cake and it now tastes like shit, is it more likely the fault of the cake or the shit? In this case, it wasn't even that but more like introducing a spoon of cake on a heap of shit.

Shit happens everywhere. Form first world to third world nations. China too is not immune to idiots cutting corners. Its as simple as that.

 

[vincent]

The Italian company was the architect, not the builder. The civil work, aka C&S (Civil & Structural) is done by a whole different group of people, ranging from the C&S consultant to the C&S contractor (who is usually the main contractor), and other subcontractors. The China Railway No. 10 Engineering Group, despite being part of a JV, is the main C&S contractor, as far as I'm concerned. European companies doing the architect work and design, while Chinese firms doing the construction is actually very common. 99% of the time, this works beautifully. But in this one case, most of the blame lies with the Chinese company doing the C&S work.

I would defend the Chinese nation without question, but I will not defend Chinese bad actors, especially those who have a questionable track record. I'm not a Jai China. Majority Chinese companies are okay, but there are still some bad apples. I do not know why the bad apples tend to be SOEs. I thought the Chinese government would hold them up to higher standards, but I don't pretend to know why.

Dude, hold on your hate until the investigation is done. Geez

 

[Elevenz]

Regarding the Serbian building collapse, was it actually because of the Chinese company? I remember people saying that the company wasn’t even involved in the part that broke down.

 

[Sardaukar20]

I keep hearing people say haha the only building that collapsed in Thailand was a Chinese one.

Were there any other tall incompleted buildings in the area though? Be cause otherwise you're comparing apples to oranges here. Apart from building the main structure, there's still a lot of work that needs to be done esp for safety measures before a building esp a tall one can be marked as complete.

I'm also pretty sure a lot of buildings that weren't affected in that area were also chinese. But hey China bad amirite

Many buildings that didn't collapse were also built by Chinese companies. But everything is political as hell today, people are waiting to jump on anything that would make China look bad. And the few Chinese bad apples continue to give them more ammo to spew they venom. If this building was constructed by a Japanese company, it wouldn't have received this much stinging criticism. Hell, if Adani was the main contractor, you would see me blasting them without mercy.

This is not the end of Chinese projects in the BRI and the Global South, but this should serve as a wakeup call for China to enforce higher standards on Chinese construction firms. If they have done wrong things, punish them, set an example out of them. China had spared no mercy to the speculative property developers, so why should construction firms be exempted?

 

[Sardaukar20]

Dude, hold on your hate until the investigation is done. Geez

I'm not hating. I'm just stating inconvenient facts. Some of these Chinese construction companies are not good actors. I have blasted Bihar bridge construction, and Boeing shoddy manufacturing. We didn't wait for investigations to conclude the findings for those cases. We cannot be politically biased when it comes to things where irresponsibility can endanger people's lives. This Bangkok building collapse may not be their fault, but lets not pre-assume that they are gonna be innocent.