Missile production, drone warfare, Railguns were not a thing for the PLAN some time ago. Just the level of Russian Shovel and washing machine technology to hit targets in Ukraine has leap frogged since then.
Drone warfare is less relevant for PLAN vs USN and PLAAF/PLANAF vs USAF/USN, at least in the short term, since both militaries are still in nascent stages of development of drones for these domains. It's on the ground where the lessons of Ukraine and Russia are probably the most mature for the PLA, and maybe somewhat less so for the US Army/Marines, though PLA vs US Army seems to be only a very distant and honestly laughable possibility for me. As for missile production, what of it? As for railguns, the PLAN looks like it's further along, but we haven't heard any news about it lately.
Are you seeing RAND's wargaming result as a fact that China is determined to lose?
Absolutely not. In fact IMO the PLA may be somewhat favored to win in the 2027/2028 timeframe.
"Battleship Agincourt is more powerful than battleship Iowa, 16 guns vs 9 guns is not something one can wave away with a fanboi hand like it means nothing"
Are you forgetting that the 052's VLS significantly out caliber the Burke's? They fit missiles with longer range and better performance, not just due to tech difference, but because larger caliber lets you put in more mileage.
And yet I don't know of any missiles that actually use this outcaliberage saving possibly the YJ-21, and even then nobody knows for sure. So basically your argument is like saying the Mk 57 is so much better than the Mk 41, except oh wait it's not really since you don't have the actual rounds to make the larger size matter.
And the actual analogue to Burkes are 055s. 052s are meant to be force multipliers that become more than the sum of their parts when they're working together with 055s.
WTF are you talking about? Was I the one who posted the photo of the Burke right next to a photo of the 052D and insinuated they are the same? Did you not even read where I quoted Paparo as saying that the 052D is a "0.6" Burke, or did you just decide to ignore that? If you cannot even get your basic facts straight, you should not even be in the argument.
Comparing a Burke with a 052 is like comparing a Slava to an Asahi and saying it means the Russian navy has defintely higher quality ships than the JMSDF. So you entirely omit the Atagos/Kongos?
This is a totally nonsensical point which again shows you totally missed the point to begin with. BTW, it would NOT be nonsensical to compare the 052D to the Burke since these are the two most numerous destroyers in each navy; BTW the Burke outsizes, outshoots and outnumbers the 052D. If someone else juxtaposes these two classes together, you could certainly compare them in that sense.
Also the part about radars is pure bullshit, every half competent combat system can achieve what you said. China has the radar acumen to even make hit to kill work on HGVs, something US doesn't even have a ppt platform able to do yet. If anything, it's the Burke radar that must be questioned relative to the 052's (let alone the 055's, which during wartime will be the master radar while the 052's acts in a support role).
Oh really? Every competent combat system can achieve what I said? If it's every, you must have articles and numbers for some, yes? Go ahead, I'll wait.
I mean the way the PLA is built up, there is a larger focus on quality, while US has undisputably a lot more peacetime troops/units. China is counting on the tyranny of distance to even the numbers gap, and a more elite/advanced army to scare off US from attempting an invasion, since they know US is scared of or at least wholly inexperienced at fighting more advanced (but smaller) forces. And if US still attacks, shock and awe/destroying logistics center will buy enough time for China to shift into war industry and begin conscription.
Scare the US off from attempting an invasion??? Of which country??? I'm sorry, which retard's war are you referring to again? You are trying to claim that the US will invade China? Or what? ROFLMAO
Obviously US can as you say, give China a very tough fight by going full draft and then sending everything they have at once to overload the smaller PLA in a decisive battle, this plays against the way US usually wants to fight, they don't want to send tons of human waves and lose a lot more men/ships than their enemy just to capture land. Even if this is the objectively correct strategy. China also counts on this mental block, that US will be careful, will not storm in all their ships into missile range, will not land millions of troops to Asia and so on, thus giving time for China to begin war production.
LOL no, just no.
You “addressed” it the second time the exact same way you addressed it the first time. Lots of words, no math, and endless dancing around the contention. “The devil is in the details” and you like to obfuscate around the wrong ones to keep your blustery fantasies alive (ever counted how many salvos the USN could even field around China? Nah, those are the kinds of facts that would leave you speechless). It does get pretty tiresome.
Given both our history of posting here is pretty long everyone knows who has “expertise” here. We’ve been watching you play unaware court jester for years now. You frequently find yourself with egg on your face and we’re all starting to wonder when you’ll finally figure it out.
I listed specific points which annihilated your ridiculous claims, and your response here is like that of a petulant child with a bruised ego trying to front to everyone like he didn't actually just get punched in the eye on the playground.
Pretty well actually. I’m turning you into entertainment for everyone else
Well I'm glad you're good at entertainment because you sure as shit aren't good at either debating or intellectual honesty
