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iewgnem

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plawolf said:
It’s not that simple because these ports are located outside of China.

If Beijing blocks the sale, it opens itself up to American made-up accusations that it’s port and other infrastructure investments abroad are not merely commercial endeavours, and thus carry national security implications for the host nations. That in turn paved the way for corrupt or compromised local leaders and politicians to push for nationalisation of Chinese owned infrastructure worldwide. I think that’s the main trap, with the Americans hoping China will block the deal.

I think this is a rare L for China, and lessons need to be learnt, first and foremost in getting a much better handling of the activities of major Chinese companies in key strategic sectors with heavy foreign exposure.

That is not to say China shouldn’t retaliate. Indeed, I think this is a case where China should overreact to set an example. Throw the proverbial legal book at CK Hutchinson and basically nuke the company if it can. At a minimum it needs to be broken up and stripped of all strategically valuable assets. I would say China should go as far as to arrange fatal accidents for every one of Li Ka Shing’s children and hires to show him just how much a 96 year old actually still have left to loose even if he no longer values his own remaining days.
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You care way too much what America says.

Its national security issure for China and most nations must comply, case closed
 
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plawolf

plawolf

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iewgnem said:
You care way too much what America says.

Its national security issure for China and most nations must comply, case closed
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It’s not what the Americans say or think, it’s what they can incite others to do. It doesn’t need to be a lot, a handful of minor powers making a grab for Chinese assets under the pretext of national security will give China far bigger headaches in terms of how it could respond. Too little risk inviting other chancers to get greedy and try their luck, too strong and you risk making America’s point for them.

If the deal also included ports in China, then China would have a legitimate case to block it under national security grounds. That’s why those holdings were deliberately stripped out and not part of this deal. These are all ports in foreign countries that China has no jurisdiction in. China can’t reasonably argue that the sale will harm Chinese national security without implicitly making the case that it views its overseas infrastructure investments as national security related, thereby undermining China’s core message that these deals comes with no strings attached.

This was a loss, China should learn from it, but it shouldn’t make a bigger strategic blunder trying to undo this one.

At the end of the day, these ports are under the jurisdiction of the national governments in which they are located. Black rock owning them doesn’t give them any special powers on who and what can use those ports. If they tried to ban Chinese shipping from the ports, the local government will immediately seize the port from Blackrock on national security grounds.
 
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Putin supported Trump’s proposal for Russia and Ukraine to halt strikes on energy infrastructure for 30 days. He has instructed the military to implement this directive​

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“Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace.”
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“The leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire, as well as
technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, full ceasefire and permanent peace.”
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“These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East.”
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“The two leaders agreed that a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside. This includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved.”
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Putin and Trump also discussed the Middle East, the “need to stop” the proliferation of strategic weapons, and Iran.
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Minm

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GulfLander said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901794658893869298
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Is this accurate?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901821124289196540
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901589342587417064
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901693719553696191

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901699617051549790
Is qatar similar to turkey?
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Doesn't that expose Qatar to retaliatory strikes from Yemen? They have a lot of soft targets in their gas export infrastructure. That would hurt Western economies a lot more
 
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supersnoop

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plawolf said:
It’s not that simple because these ports are located outside of China.

If Beijing blocks the sale, it opens itself up to American made-up accusations that it’s port and other infrastructure investments abroad are not merely commercial endeavours, and thus carry national security implications for the host nations. That in turn paved the way for corrupt or compromised local leaders and politicians to push for nationalisation of Chinese owned infrastructure worldwide. I think that’s the main trap, with the Americans hoping China will block the deal.

I think this is a rare L for China, and lessons need to be learnt, first and foremost in getting a much better handling of the activities of major Chinese companies in key strategic sectors with heavy foreign exposure.

That is not to say China shouldn’t retaliate. Indeed, I think this is a case where China should overreact to set an example. Throw the proverbial legal book at CK Hutchinson and basically nuke the company if it can. At a minimum it needs to be broken up and stripped of all strategically valuable assets. I would say China should go as far as to arrange fatal accidents for every one of Li Ka Shing’s children and hires to show him just how much a 96 year old actually still have left to loose even if he no longer values his own remaining days.
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The whole thing is an overreaction especially by the Chinese government. As you said yourself, not everything is under the purview of the Chinese government. If a private company wants to sell, then why shouldn’t it? (if assets are not inside China) A company is trying to reduce its exposure to risk. Hutchinson already lost a contract in Israel in 2020 thanks to US shenanigans.
In your later scenario, if Blackrock blocked Chinese ships, no country would allow this. Conversely if Hutchinson blocked American ships, do you think this would work out well?

Killing his whole family? wtf is this? Just ridiculous. Did they kill Jack Ma’s family when he made the comments with regards to Ant IPO? He probably created a worse situation than this at least in terms of media exposure. Just subject his company to more regulation, this is not bandit country India…

Let me offer a more mundane example. SharkNinja was separated from the Chinese parent company and IPO’ed basically to limit the risk exposure. Now the CEO says they will try to source from outside China. Does the chairman (Wang Xuning) need to be murdered? Would you merely cut his ear off if the goods are assembled in VN and Thailand of Chinese parts?
 
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Biscuits

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supersnoop said:
The whole thing is an overreaction especially by the Chinese government. As you said yourself, not everything is under the purview of the Chinese government. If a private company wants to sell, then why shouldn’t it? (if assets are not inside China) A company is trying to reduce its exposure to risk. Hutchinson already lost a contract in Israel in 2020 thanks to US shenanigans.
In your later scenario, if Blackrock blocked Chinese ships, no country would allow this. Conversely if Hutchinson blocked American ships, do you think this would work out well?

Killing his whole family? wtf is this? Just ridiculous. Did they kill Jack Ma’s family when he made the comments with regards to Ant IPO? He probably created a worse situation than this at least in terms of media exposure. Just subject his company to more regulation, this is not bandit country India…

Let me offer a more mundane example. SharkNinja was separated from the Chinese parent company and IPO’ed basically to limit the risk exposure. Now the CEO says they will try to source from outside China. Does the chairman (Wang Xuning) need to be murdered? Would you merely cut his ear off if the goods are assembled in VN and Thailand of Chinese parts?
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They nearly never over or underreact, it's a calculated reaction based on what they're preparing to do.

But yes obviously no one will die. And you correctly surmise it is a fairly routine investment switch. The real question is why the government choose to stir up the regulators in the last minute like that, they clearly smelled blood for whatever reason.

I think I see what's up, because Blackrock is Democrat aligned, it's not in the in-group of Trump oligarchs (that's also why Trump hasn't taken to the streets celebrating any "win" whereas he usually grasps at the tiniest hint of something that looks good). Which means they don't have protections anymore.
 
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