J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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Schumacher

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The news itself is from an official source so reliability is not a problem, that some kind of milestone has been reached.
The problem as always with most military news is the lack of details.
 

pla101prc

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The news itself is from an official source so reliability is not a problem, that some kind of milestone has been reached.
The problem as always with most military news is the lack of details.

we are not talkin about that one article only, we are talkin about all the info that have been recently posted from cjbdy. there are suspicions that they might not be entirely true but not entirely false either.
 

challenge

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August 17, 2007: China is touting the advanced electronics in their new J10A fighter. The J10A is using an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. AESA systems consist of thousands of tiny radars that make it possible to track many different targets simultaneously. China claims the J10A radar can track ten targets at once, and attack four of them simultaneously (with long range missiles). China has revealed other military AESA radars recently, indicating years of intense research and development in this area.



The J10 is also Chinese made. It looks something like the American F-16, and weighs about the same (19 tons). Like the F-16, and unlike the Su-27, the J10 has only one engine. Originally, the J10 used a Russian AL-31FN engine, but China has been working for a decade to manufacture their own version of this, the WS10A.



It's no accident that the J10 resembles the F-16, because Israel apparently sold them technology for the Israeli Lavi jet fighter. Israel abandoned the Lavi project, because of the high cost and availability of cheaper alternatives (buying F-16s and F-15s from the United States.) But the Lavi was meant to be a super F-16, and incorporated a lot of design ideas from the F-16 (which the Israelis were very familiar with, as they used them, and had developed new components for them.) China has about a dozen J10As in service, and will probably increase production once their WS10A engine is operational (which may be in a year or two.) China's extensive espionage efforts in the U.S. has long sought jet engine and AESA technology.

the first report of China testing AESa was back in 2007 ("J-10 deployed superioir electronic"),it is possible during the flight test,the telementry data was intercepted by US orbiting SIGINT satelite.
during the cold war US deployed dozen of SIGINT and COMINT satelite ,not to mention air, (such EC-135)- land and sea based SIGINT station to monitor ,the russian ballistic missile test and weapon testing.
 

Blitzo

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@Challenge

Dude, how does that relate to what we were talking about (or the J-xx at all?)?
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RedMercury

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Another good news, the AESA radar has been finished

This news have been reported in an news paper run by Chinese military industy:

This news says the AESA for Chinese J-XX has finished, its a X-band AESA radar, developed in 607th research insistitue in Sichuan.

The Vice-commander of China Airforce has been there to accept the radar and praise the team, he said he is very pleased by this news and he think now one of the two challenges (engine and radar) for J-XX have been overcome.

From this news the Airforce plan to not only install this AESA radar on J-XX, but also use it to upgrade their existing 3rd genertaion figthers.
Looks pretty authentic. After years of speculation, now we know it is done and ready. Ganbei!
I wonder if it will be cheap enough to retrofit all the J-10 and J-11s.
 

pla101prc

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Looks pretty authentic. After years of speculation, now we know it is done and ready. Ganbei!
I wonder if it will be cheap enough to retrofit all the J-10 and J-11s.

the other article says it can only track 10 targets...that's pretty pathetic for an AESA...ah well i guess if you have 200 of em it wouldnt matter as much.
 

70092

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the other article says it can only track 10 targets...that's pretty pathetic for an AESA...ah well i guess if you have 200 of em it wouldnt matter as much.

Where they says so? its rather hard to believe espeically considering current 147x radar can track 20 and attack 6.
 

carandol

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the other article says it can only track 10 targets...that's pretty pathetic for an AESA...ah well i guess if you have 200 of em it wouldnt matter as much.

We must assume they are referring to the number of high-quality tracks the system is maintaining. Since the system is having to time-share, they must still allow time to perform any other functions they want the radar to do (background scanning, electronic warfare, ground mapping, etc). I'm sure the system is able to maintain background tracks (low-quality tracks updated less frequently) on several hundred to maintain adequate situational awareness.
 

70092

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Recent days, there are several different sources from internet, including one quite reliable one from a former employer in SAC and current factory-funded PhD in a related area, confirms that the Fighter will definitely conduct its ground test by 2010 and will be able to do its maiden flight in 2010 or 2011 depends on the results of the ground test.

Many Generals and senior officers from Airforces visited CAC just before the Airforce day, and they are very pleased about the progress, I guess thats why during the airforce day, there are so many informations about this thing come out of the mouths of these seniors from Airforce.

It wont take too long before the Fighter get some public demonstration, it seems that this time the Generals of the Airforces want to show off their new aircraft at a very early development stage, maybe comparable to F-22, e.g. being open to public just after it has finished its maiden flight successfully.
 
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Blitzo

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Recent days, there are several different sources from internet, including one quite reliable one from a former employer in SAC and current factory-funded PhD in a related area, confirms that the Fighter will definitely conduct its ground test by 2010 and will be able to do its maiden flight in 2010 or 2011 depends on the results of the ground test.

Many Generals and senior officers from Airforces visited CAC just before the Airforce day, and they are very pleased about the progress, I guess thats why during the airforce day, there are so many informations about this thing come out of the mouths of these seniors from Airforce.

It wont take too long before the Fighter get some public demonstration, it seems that this time the Generals of the Airforces want to show off their new aircraft at a very early development stage, maybe comparable to F-22, e.g. being open to public just after it has finished its maiden flight successfully.
If that is true, then I must say it is good news... and potentially bad.

If China does show off it's 4th gen fighter in the next few years and Obama hasn't killed off the F-22 programme enough, then the PLAAF may have to contend with increased numbers of F-22s... D=
There was a recent article floating on the net in which an F-22 pilot from Middle East training said 5th gen fighters from China may prompt the US to re start the F-22... Sorry guys for restarting this part again, but if the F-22 does get into over 187 numbers then the PLAAF is pretty screwed.


70092, dude do you (or anyone else) happen to have any information about the engine nozzles on the J-XX/WS-15? I'm just thinking that if the nozzles are serrated, flat and have edge alignment like the F-22's, then it would mean the rest of the aircraft's details are probably quite good as well (and we all know detail must be paid attention to for stealth if western circles are to be believed).
(And also, a noob question - what exactly is a ground test? Is it the same as a static test like shaking an aircraft apart to see how long it lasts before it collapses?)

Please and thank you!
 
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