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AssassinsMace

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Now I know what Biden was after with the Chinese before he leaves office. It doesn't sound like anything was accomplished with Sullivan. A phone call sounds anti-climatic. What could Biden really do substantially when he's leaving? Nothing. Biden wanted a State Dinner. That's why there was talk of him going to China. That's when State Dinners usually happen but they didn't give one to Xi when Biden gave one to all of China's adversaries in Asia as a message to China. Just like he wanted to give China a message when he said China would be the last country he'd talk to after he came into office. Biden wanted China to give him one for his legacy. Look at how he brags that he stopped China surpassing the US economically. What more of a triumphant message to have China give him a State Dinner after doing nothing for China. Look at the lavish one China gave Trump when he did nothing good for China. Biden probably expected one for himself... Bastard!
 

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I presume this means that after the death of Nguyen Phu Trong anti-China faction has prevailed ?

MANILA, Aug 30 (Reuters) - The Philippines and Vietnam will sign a defence cooperation agreement on Friday, the office of Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr said, a significant step by two countries that have long opposed China's actions in the South China Sea.

Vietnamese Defence Minister Phan Van Giang was in Manila on Friday to hold talks with his Philippine counterpart, Gilberto Teodoro, and he paid a courtesy call earlier in the day on Marcos.

"We now talk about defence cooperation, security cooperation, maritime cooperation, and certainly, on the area of trade as well," Marcos was quoted as saying in a statement, which did not specify details of the defence agreement.
"Your visit, I think, will serve as further impetus, further push to increase that – the depth and the range of our relationship."
The agreement comes at a time of simmering tension in the South China Sea and international concern about an escalation, and over the conduct of China's vast fleet of coastguard and its activities in the exclusive economic zones of its neighbours.

Vietnam has a tricky balancing act of opposing actions by China that it deems infringements on its sovereignty, while needing to maintain close relations with its giant neighbour, forged over decades by their ruling Communist Parties.
Vietnam's decision to enter into the agreement comes at a time when U.S. defence ally the Philippines and China are sparring almost every week over the South China Sea, a row that has raged for more than a year.
China claims sovereignty over almost all of the strategic waterway.
Despite their overlapping claims in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, where Vietnam and the Philippines each occupies atolls and reefs, both countries have expressed desire to work together and tackle disputes.
Coast guards of the two countries earlier this month held their first-ever joint exercises in Manila, simulating fire-fighting drills and search-and-rescue exercises.
That came after Marcos visited Hanoi in January and signed deals that covered "incident prevention in the South China Sea" and "maritime cooperation".

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ansy1968

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South Korea's soft power decline is another a lesson for China about the folly of arrogance. But China is not a Western-style Democracy, so it is much less likely to fall into that trap. The CPC knows how to moderate nationalism and have been doing it for decades. I remembered back in the 2010's when there were a number of the more affluent Chinese citizens behaving rather cocky and loud with their newfound wealth. Some of them travelled overseas and gave their nation a bad reputation. So the CPC clamped down on these nonsense and now things have mellowed down.
That had happen before in our history, resulting to a hundred years of humiliation. Complacency lead to arrogance then to discrimination then to isolation. I'm a Chinese and a Chauvinistic one, who can blame me for being proud of my heritage BUT in this age we had been tempered due to modern technology and also the experience of being humiliated. It was enshrine in our thought process by our ancestor who wanted to bring back her majestic past. Now its our job as parents to inculcate those values to our Children, failing to do so will cut the link from the past and led the Nation and our culture to ruin, that's what happening in SK in a lesser degree in Japan, Singapore and the Philippines.

Now I want this rivalry with the US to remained constant cause winning and subjugation will lead us to a wrong path and the cycle will continue. The CPC know this being a student of history, that's the reason why the Chinese are so accommodating to a fault, beating the US and Humiliate them is not the objective, the goal is the rejuvenation of Chinese nation and its culture to a new height.
 

chgough34

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Now I know what Biden was after with the Chinese before he leaves office. It doesn't sound like anything was accomplished with Sullivan. A phone call sounds anti-climatic. What could Biden really do substantially when he's leaving? Nothing. Biden wanted a State Dinner. That's why there was talk of him going to China. That's when State Dinners usually happen but they didn't give one to Xi when Biden gave one to all of China's adversaries in Asia as a message to China. Just like he wanted to give China a message when he said China would be the last country he'd talk to after he came into office. Biden wanted China to give him one for his legacy. Look at how he brags that he stopped China surpassing the US economically. What more of a triumphant message to have China give him a State Dinner after doing nothing for China. Look at the lavish one China gave Trump when he did nothing good for China. Biden probably expected one for himself... Bastard!
Yeah, China is the substantially weaker party in U.S.-China relations. The U.S. gets to set terms
 

chgough34

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lots of China legislation is being teed up for a floor vote in the house. Even if it all dies in the senate, the floor votes will move public opinion, chill lobbying activity in favor of China and make it easier for future floor votes to happen, signal to think tanks and the media to never publish any pro-China media, signal to corporates/universities/etc to stop all cooperation with China even if legal, and egg on state legislatures to pass similar legislation in order to make us-China relations far harder to fix (obviously, it is easier to deal with one legislature in DC, instead of 50 state legislatures who can escalate beyond what DC has done, and a Congress in DC that gets to set the ceiling on US-China relations).
 

sndef888

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I presume this means that after the death of Nguyen Phu Trong anti-China faction has prevailed ?

MANILA, Aug 30 (Reuters) - The Philippines and Vietnam will sign a defence cooperation agreement on Friday, the office of Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr said, a significant step by two countries that have long opposed China's actions in the South China Sea.

Vietnamese Defence Minister Phan Van Giang was in Manila on Friday to hold talks with his Philippine counterpart, Gilberto Teodoro, and he paid a courtesy call earlier in the day on Marcos.

"We now talk about defence cooperation, security cooperation, maritime cooperation, and certainly, on the area of trade as well," Marcos was quoted as saying in a statement, which did not specify details of the defence agreement.
"Your visit, I think, will serve as further impetus, further push to increase that – the depth and the range of our relationship."
The agreement comes at a time of simmering tension in the South China Sea and international concern about an escalation, and over the conduct of China's vast fleet of coastguard and its activities in the exclusive economic zones of its neighbours.

Vietnam has a tricky balancing act of opposing actions by China that it deems infringements on its sovereignty, while needing to maintain close relations with its giant neighbour, forged over decades by their ruling Communist Parties.
Vietnam's decision to enter into the agreement comes at a time when U.S. defence ally the Philippines and China are sparring almost every week over the South China Sea, a row that has raged for more than a year.
China claims sovereignty over almost all of the strategic waterway.
Despite their overlapping claims in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, where Vietnam and the Philippines each occupies atolls and reefs, both countries have expressed desire to work together and tackle disputes.
Coast guards of the two countries earlier this month held their first-ever joint exercises in Manila, simulating fire-fighting drills and search-and-rescue exercises.
That came after Marcos visited Hanoi in January and signed deals that covered "incident prevention in the South China Sea" and "maritime cooperation".

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Insanity.

For some reason these small countries keep getting shitty leaders that try to attack China and set themselves back 20 years in the process.

Just a little bit of tariffs from China and all of Vietnam's newfound industry will be gone overnight. They can beg America for aid then and see how that turns out.

I suspect this has to do with CIA infiltration like what they tried with China before the corruption crackdown.
 
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chgough34

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Insanity.

It's hard to fathom why these small countries always get shitty leaders that try to attack China and set themselves back 20 years in the process.

Just a little bit of tariffs from China and all of Vietnam's newfound industry will be gone. They can beg America for aid then and see how that turns out.
Getting China to sanction Vietnam is good for the United States since it harms China’s economy with no cost to the U.S., it irreparably harms a bilateral relationship China holds that it built up with substantial effort, and it makes for all asean states to look to the U.S. to play daddy moral hazard/external balancer. Since there’s nothing China can do to substantively harm the U.S., it just harms US “puppets” but in doing so, it makes it much easier for the U.S. to improve relations with said “puppets” and it harms China’s economy
 
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sndef888

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lots of China legislation is being teed up for a floor vote in the house. Even if it all dies in the senate, the floor votes will move public opinion, chill lobbying activity in favor of China and make it easier for future floor votes to happen, signal to think tanks and the media to never publish any pro-China media, signal to corporates/universities/etc to stop all cooperation with China even if legal, and egg on state legislatures to pass similar legislation in order to make us-China relations far harder to fix (obviously, it is easier to deal with one legislature in DC, instead of 50 state legislatures who can escalate beyond what DC has done, and a Congress in DC that gets to set the ceiling on US-China relations).
All of these bills are basically the desperate last cries of a dying empire trying to implement protectionism

Nothing about trying to fix their own problems or improving their competitiveness

It's honestly pathetic to watch lol
 
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ansy1968

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I presume this means that after the death of Nguyen Phu Trong anti-China faction has prevailed ?

MANILA, Aug 30 (Reuters) - The Philippines and Vietnam will sign a defence cooperation agreement on Friday, the office of Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr said, a significant step by two countries that have long opposed China's actions in the South China Sea.

Vietnamese Defence Minister Phan Van Giang was in Manila on Friday to hold talks with his Philippine counterpart, Gilberto Teodoro, and he paid a courtesy call earlier in the day on Marcos.

"We now talk about defence cooperation, security cooperation, maritime cooperation, and certainly, on the area of trade as well," Marcos was quoted as saying in a statement, which did not specify details of the defence agreement.
"Your visit, I think, will serve as further impetus, further push to increase that – the depth and the range of our relationship."
The agreement comes at a time of simmering tension in the South China Sea and international concern about an escalation, and over the conduct of China's vast fleet of coastguard and its activities in the exclusive economic zones of its neighbours.

Vietnam has a tricky balancing act of opposing actions by China that it deems infringements on its sovereignty, while needing to maintain close relations with its giant neighbour, forged over decades by their ruling Communist Parties.
Vietnam's decision to enter into the agreement comes at a time when U.S. defence ally the Philippines and China are sparring almost every week over the South China Sea, a row that has raged for more than a year.
China claims sovereignty over almost all of the strategic waterway.
Despite their overlapping claims in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, where Vietnam and the Philippines each occupies atolls and reefs, both countries have expressed desire to work together and tackle disputes.
Coast guards of the two countries earlier this month held their first-ever joint exercises in Manila, simulating fire-fighting drills and search-and-rescue exercises.
That came after Marcos visited Hanoi in January and signed deals that covered "incident prevention in the South China Sea" and "maritime cooperation".

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From my previous post Vietnam is the victor in this SCS saga, they want the Philippine to take the lead, suffer the consequences while they take up the pieces, build an artificial island laughing among themselves as both the American and the Philippines look on with amusement....lol

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Jun 13, 2024 — The Philippine navy is “monitoring” Vietnam's island-building activities in South China Sea waters within Manila's exclusive economic zone, a naval official ...


As a matter of fact it was Vietnam who invade and take one of our island in the SCS. The tactic that the Vietnamese use is straight from Sun Tzu teaching, inviting the whole island garrison to a party in the Vietnamese control island with beer, wine and prostitute while they take the island stealthy. ;)

1968 – Philippine occupation​

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In 1968, Filipino troops occupied Song Tử Đông (Northeast Cay, Parola) and Song Tử Tây (Southwest Cay, Pugad).
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"As this relates to Cloma, no official act by the Philippine government could be found which contemporaneously and specifically ratified his declaration. However, in 1968 the Philippine government began sending troops to occupy the area and in 1971 made an official announcement that the Philippines were occupying several of the features in KIG for “reasons of national security and to “protect the interests of the state and its citizens.”
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1975 – Capture by South Vietnam​

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Pugad Island incident
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Date1975
LocationSouthwest Cay
ResultSouth Vietnamese Capture of Pugad Island
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Southwest Cay is near the northern edge of the
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(Parola), the South Vietnamese-occupied South Reef, and the unoccupied North Reef. Southwest Cay and Northeast Cay are just 1.75 miles (2.82 km) apart, and each island is visible from the other.

Sometime in 1975, all the Filipino soldiers guarding Southwest Cay (Pugad) left to attend to the birthday party of their commanding officer who was based on Northeast Cay (Parola). A storm that day is also believed to have influenced the soldiers to regroup temporarily on Parola. A report also came out saying that South Vietnamese officials managed to send prostitutes to the birthday party to lure the Filipino soldiers guarding Pugad. It was said to be a "present" to the Filipino commander for his birthday, and as a move of South Vietnamese forces to befriend all Filipino soldiers guarding the Spratlys. Filipino soldiers did not expect that South Vietnam would resort to foul play since both the Philippines and South Vietnam, together with the United States, were allies in the
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. This tactic is believed to be the reason why South Vietnamese forces knew that the Filipino soldiers left the island, an action that is usually kept confidential.[
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After the party and after the weather cleared out, the returning soldiers were surprised that a company of South Vietnamese soldiers were already on the island. The South Vietnamese flag replaced the Filipino flag flying on the pole erected by Filipino soldiers. The Filipino soldiers returned to Parola immediately for fear that Parola would be the next target. After higher-ups of the Philippines were informed about the situation, they instructed the troops based in Parola and Pagasa (
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) to stay on red alert status. For the following mornings, the only thing the Filipino soldiers could do on Parola was to "curse" while South Vietnamese soldiers on Pugad sang their national anthem.
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officials, who did not want to compromise the alliance while the Vietnam War was still being fought, decided to remain silent.
 
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