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But seriously, this logic makes no sense when the people are being driven from their homes by an occupying force and are being killed in such levels and the leaders of Israel have made reference to Amalek and and have been bombing indiscriminately and deliberately to cause as much suffering as possible and all those victims are Palestinians with the aim for mass murdering them.
Here is the definition of genocide from the dictionary:
the killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
I get that you might be in some way trying to water this down slightly for whatever reason but since this event fulfills the basic definition of the word genocide, all I can say is Israel can do whatever they are doing right now but in the event that the world (not the USA because they love this stuff) gets fed up and something of the same kind happens to the Jews in return in such large numbers that would probably make Hitler blush (and I don’t like to bring up that name), if you don’t call this a genocide now, then later don’t call the reprisals genocide either, in fact consider this as a ‘driving out of the invaders for the last 75 years of occupation by an outside power (aka US and UK who have on record called Israel the unsinkable carrier in the Middle East ’ event if we really need to use terms like those to make anyone feel better. Are you trying to troll someone because it takes a special kind of messed up to somehow water down this kind of horrible situation by not calling spade a spade when even the dictionary can easily spell out what is happening right now
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In an alternative universe, the state of Palestine colonized Israel and attempt to drive native Jews out of the area. They demanded all Jews to leave the land, of which they rightfully declined. Then Palestinian bombed Jewish cities to nothing, killing large number of them directly. When it was proven to be too costly, they switched to intentional starving by cutting food access. Which again, is causing mass death. When confronted, the brave @FriedRiceNSpice jump in to defend the mass killer that "it is not genocide, the intention is for displacement, therefore only ethnic cleansing", while ignoring genocidal actions on the ground that "wipes population of a nation". In fact Jews were not racially targeted and killed, they died on their own from lack of food/water access!
Also heil Hitler.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Mass graves does not equate genocide. Mass graves were perpetuated by multiple nations, on both sides, during WW2, yet only one state conducted genocide, despite at least 2 other states also having conducted war crimes and killings of civilians on a massive scale. Mass graves can be attributed to multiple sides during the Yugoslav wars, yet none of the parties intended to conduct genocide. The US left mass graves all over Korea/Japan, yet those actions do not constitute genocide. "Leave or I will kill you," is textbook ethnic cleansing.
Only if you believe war crimes and ethnic cleansing should not be stopped. Genocide or not, what is happening in Palestine right now needs to be stopped immediately. Regardless of intentions, killing on the scale that is being perpetuated right now in Israel cannot be allowed to happen. The problem with attempting it to label what is happening as genocide when sufficient criteria is not met is that instead of actually stopping focusing on stopping what is happening, people will just waste time in endless debates on whether or not genocide is being committed. A state that engages in genocide cannot be allowed to survive, and trying to label Israel's actions as genocide is just going to cause Israel to further back in a corner. All efforts should be focused on putting an end to the violence, primarily by forcing first a ceasefire and then for Israel to accept a 2 state solution.
Fine, attempted genocide/genocide in progress. Unless by your definition it is not genocide until it is completed. Then sure, maybe you could say someone intentional strangling you is not a murderer, not until you are dead! But in the end, the nation that attempt genocide but fail to finish it is treated the same as the one that did. Would you let the attempted killer walk free?
By same logic, Nazi Germany is not genociding either, see there are still Jews alive! Or at very least, per your definition, not enough Jews died in 1942 yet. The gas chamber is only beginning to be used. See how problematic it is?
Israel's government in its current form cannot be allowed to survive. I do not advocate mass killing of Jews, the same way not mass killing of Germans post-WWII, ridiculous. But at the very least, government in current form cannot survive. It ought to be penalized the same way Nazi regime was.
The genocide convention defines genocide pretty clearly
I think we can all agree that Israel has murdered Palestinian civilians and destroyed their cultural heritage like medieval monuments and modern universities and has now caused a famine with the intent to destroy the group of Gaza Palestinians in whole or in part. This fits the definition of the convention
In the NATO narrative, Serbian forces were in the process of committing genocide, which is why they invaded Kosovo. Fewer than 10,000 ethnic Albanian civilians died in that whole war
Gyatt dayum, r/LCD is a shitshow now. Whoever is u/moses_the_blue, please post more.
FriedRiceNSpice
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No, the Nazi's did not want the Jewish people to flee to areas outside of their control. They wanted the total destruction of the Jewish people. What Israeli is doing is much closer to the actions of Imperial Japan than Nazi Germany.
The reason a line needs to be drawn is because the term, "genocide," has become a tool of the Western liberal media and justification by unscrupulous policymakers to conduct imperialism. Oh, the Serbs are conducting genocide, lets bomb them up and break up their nation. Oh, Russians are conducting genocide in Ukraine, lets sanction them to the stone age. Genocide is happening in Xinjiang, lets sanction a bunch of Chinese companies. Eroding the definition of terms is one of the primary strategies used by Western liberal media to create false equivalences and distort facts in order to propagate false narratives. The term genocide is used because it evokes in people's minds the horrors of Nazi death camps regardless of what is actually happening. People need to recognize, call out, and remember the hypocrisies spun up by the Western liberal media rather than to fall into their trap.
The Zionists in the US want people to waste their time arguing about whether or not what the Israelis are doing fit the definition of genocide. What needs to happen is that a united front be created to put an immediate stop to the atrocities, and for this moment of hypocrisy to be forever remembered.
This is not correct. At the start of Nazi rule, they promoted emigration and considered sending them to Africa.
The mass killings only started towards the end of the war.
They also may have dreamed about total destruction of the Jewish people, but that was never possible. They never had access to all Jewish people. Even if they had killed all Jews in Europe, the Jewish people in America and west Asia, including Palestine, would have remained. That's why the genocide convention specifies that genocide occurs even if it's only an attempt to destroy a group in part