and what will become of those Super E's?
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and what will become of those Super E's?
I imagine the SEMs will be retired as they are probably high mileage airframes, though by no means completely expired. Not enough time left on the airframes to make export worthwhile and they have been overhauled once already, hence the 'M' (modernised) in the name. Also catapult launches and arrested landings have a long term detrimental effect of fatigue life, witness the USNs problems with having to rebuild the centre barrel (fuselage) of legacy F/A-18A/B/C/Ds. I think it's safe to say the SEMs are headed for museums and scrapyards. Once they are gone, the only wire bridle launched naval aircraft left in service will be the Brazillian Navy's Skyhawks and Trackers.
We can going in French topic yet posted nice pics
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/france-military-news-reports-data-etc.t5867/page-101
Recently remain 17 Super-Etendard modernized " SEM-5 " 5 th variant with BGL etc... about 10 in the 17th Flotilla/Sqn since2 years no longer incur heavy maintenance and no new pilots formed on not usefull ofc.
For A2A combat very limited cos only 2 IR AAM but her radar specialized for surface mode have a range very limited vs aicraft about 20 km.
But except a payload enough small 2.1 t on 7 hard points but versatile loadout : anti-ships AM-39, A2G GBU 12/49/58, Mk-82, missiles AS-30L laser, target pod, 2 guns with each 125 rounds, 2 FT 625 or 1100 l. CRM 280 recc pod.
Refuelling system buddy-buddy Douglas D827, 150l Inside.
An for a small fighter max 12 t have a very decent range CR 850 km btw F-18 and Super Hornet/F-16 900, Rafale 1400.
Retired 07/2016.
17F begin transition on Rafale this summer get some and full 2017 max 2018.
Rafale white paper say about 45 : 3 x Flt of 12, 2 ready immediately + 4 in OCU with AF the rest backup, reserve/test if necessary no for operations vs ISIS ofc it is not a true war... ! you can see number of missions... the CAW can get easy 25 after possible 30 theoricaly 35 but in practice seems 30 max on the CVN in more also 2 E-2 and 2/4 helos.
Now 48 in order 45 delivered 4 lost then 44 planned now for 2021 ; in service 34 F3 variant + 7 F1 in modernisation in F3 delivered for 2017.
F1 first only able A2A combat and refueling put very fast in service for replaced Crusader retired.
Remains now for news : 1/2016, 2 in 2020/21.
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Jura The idiot
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it's just not to forget one-year-old aircraft-weight-and-Ford-deck-related discussion:
(I had figured this while on the train to celebrate last Easter, that's how I recalled now
and posts around this one ... soon (until next Easter?) we'll know
(I had figured this while on the train to celebrate last Easter, that's how I recalled now
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aircraft-carriers-ii-closed-to-posting.t3125/page-535#post-334315
and posts around this one ... soon (until next Easter?) we'll know
it's just not to forget one-year-old aircraft-weight-and-Ford-deck-related discussion:
(I had figured this while on the train to celebrate last Easter, that's how I recalled now
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aircraft-carriers-ii-closed-to-posting.t3125/page-535#post-334315
and posts around this one ... soon (until next Easter?) we'll know
145 knts is the max approach speed for F-35, it will rotate and fly much slower than that, prolly at 100 - 120 knots depending on weight. The engine will be in full afterburner, the catapult will be rapidly accelerating it down the deck, and that acceleration will continue for at least 30 seconds to a minute after leaving the deck.
So departure speed off the deck will more likely be around 110-120knts!
On approach you have the power way back, and set up a high drag, high sink rate as you descend down the glide slope, light you can prolly try 130knts, 145 will be coming back heavy and bringing your weapons home with you, as soon as you hit the deck, you advance the power lever back to full burner! in case you miss the wire!
Don't forget the carrier isn't standing still when the aircraft are launched and recovered. It will typically be generating at least 30 knots of wind over the deck (WOD = ship speed + local wind), so the relative approach speed is much lower. An aircraft approaching the carrier at 120kts will hit the deck at 90 kts for example relative to the deck. Similarly for catapult end speed.
and of course the same applies to departures, the 145 knt ceiling is a worst case scenario, it is allowing that conditions are less than optimal, and it is a "hard ceiling", not the norm.
Jura The idiot
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now, just to finish for now what I pulled yesterday:
the argument (not mine! if I had had something better to do on that train one year ago, I would've skipped itit's just not to forget one-year-old aircraft-weight-and-Ford-deck-related discussion:
(I had figured this while on the train to celebrate last Easter, that's how I recalled now
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aircraft-carriers-ii-closed-to-posting.t3125/page-535#post-334315
and posts around this one ... soon (until next Easter?) we'll know
was certain aircraft would be so heavy (assuming enough ordnance/fuel) they would need rather high takeoff speed, and the shorter the deck, the higher acceleration to achieve that takeoff speed(the argument was related to suggesting either too low ordnance/fuel, or too high force needed, with obvious drawbacks)
where's
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