Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Petrolicious88

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It is just that this "fact" has been basically presented by the delusional and malicious Western media, we don't know what is the real nature of those "negotiations". Maybe the US just spam texts them or something, who knows lol?

But we know from explicit statements that Saudis would, in the real world, agree only on 1967 borders, as a two-state solution, to agree to the normalization with Israel, which is basically a lose-lose nightmare scenario, for the US and Israel.

So if the US continues to negotiate with Saudis, despite that, then it shows you who has the "weaker hand" there. Paying Saudis additionally in military matters + cutting Israel in half as requirements. Those are a kind of demands your enemy would make on you, not "vassals" lol, haha.



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I don't think the Saudi's are conditioning the deal on the return to 1967 border. They know that's highly unrealistic.

MBS is also less attached to Palestinian cause than his father. He cut financial aid to the Palestinian authority, censored online criticism of Israel, etc.. And it's an open secret that there is already extensive security and intelligence cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arbia.

I think the Saudi's desperately want this deal as much as the Americans and Israelis. The world is transitioning away from Oil (and therefore Saudi's relevance). They prob will sacrifice some of their Palestinian demands in order to get a NATO style guarantees from US.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
I don't think the Saudi's are conditioning the deal on the return to 1967 border. They know that's highly unrealistic.

MBS is also less attached to Palestinian cause than his father. He cut financial aid to the Palestinian authority, censored online criticism of Israel, etc.. And it's an open secret that there is already extensive security and intelligence cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arbia.

I think the Saudi's desperately want this deal as much as the Americans and Israelis. The world is transitioning away from Oil (and therefore Saudi's relevance). They prob will sacrifice some of their Palestinian demands in order to get a NATO style guarantees from US.
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The US can't even guarantee its own shipping security, they aren't in a position to negotiate anything anymore.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
I don't think the Saudi's are conditioning the deal on the return to 1967 border. They know that's highly unrealistic.

MBS is also less attached to Palestinian cause than his father. He cut financial aid to the Palestinian authority, censored online criticism of Israel, etc.. And it's an open secret that there is already extensive security and intelligence cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arbia.

I think the Saudi's desperately want this deal as much as the Americans and Israelis. The world is transitioning away from Oil (and therefore Saudi's relevance). They prob will sacrifice some of their Palestinian demands in order to get a NATO style guarantees from US.
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You're not providing any benefit for the Saudi's being so desperate for this deal. Israel isn't capable of providing anything useful to KSA that the Saudi's would be so desperate to toss away the cause of the Palestinians, which it has held and funded for decades, to the dismay of it's highly conservative domestic population.
 
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Hamas accepts Qatari-Egyptian proposal for Gaza ceasefire​

Hamas has approved a proposal for a ceasefire in the Gaza war put forward by mediators Qatar and Egypt, the Palestinian group says, although Israel has yet to comment on the proposal.

“Ismail Haniyeh, head of the political bureau of Hamas movement, conducted a telephone call with the prime minister of Qatar, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, and with the Egyptian intelligence minister, Mr Abbas Kamel, and informed them of Hamas’s approval of their proposal regarding a ceasefire agreement,” the group said in a statement published on its official website on Monday.

Details of the proposal were not immediately clear.

The statement was released after people started to flee the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip after Israel ordered tens of thousands of people to evacuate as fears grew of a full-blown military assault there. More than 1.4 million displaced Palestinians have sought shelter in the area.

After the Hamas announcement, crowds of people gathered to cheer and celebrate in Rafah.

Israel and Hamas have been engaged in indirect talks mediated by Qatar and Egypt over a potential ceasefire in the Gaza war and an exchange of Israeli captives for Palestinian prisoners.

Egyptian and Hamas officials have previously said a potential ceasefire would take place in several stages in which Hamas would release Israeli captives it is holding in exchange for Israeli troop pullbacks from Gaza.

It had not been clear whether the deal would meet Hamas’s key demands of a permanent ceasefire, a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the return of displaced families to their homes.

Al Jazeera’s Tareq Abu Azzoum, reporting from Rafah, said people started celebrating near the Kuwaiti Hospital upon hearing the Hamas announcement.

Children and the elderly are among people cheering and chanting for a return to Gaza City, he said.
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sheogorath

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Petrolicious88 said:
I don't think the Saudi's are conditioning the deal on the return to 1967 border. They know that's highly unrealistic.

MBS is also less attached to Palestinian cause than his father. He cut financial aid to the Palestinian authority, censored online criticism of Israel, etc.. And it's an open secret that there is already extensive security and intelligence cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arbia.

I think the Saudi's desperately want this deal as much as the Americans and Israelis. The world is transitioning away from Oil (and therefore Saudi's relevance). They prob will sacrifice some of their Palestinian demands in order to get a NATO style guarantees from US.
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Here is your deal

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787569027436491049
 
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CrazyHorse

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Petrolicious88 said:
They've been crying foul for how many years, decades? What concrete actions have any of them done for the Palestinians.
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None, which should tell the Muslim world that their countries are driven not by religion, but by economics and political intrigue. The fact that the Muslim world can “rise up” against Assad and create and (terroristic of course) islamic state, but can’t do anything when there is a genocide next door is shocking. Thoughts and prayers only.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
I don't think the Saudi's are conditioning the deal on the return to 1967 border. They know that's highly unrealistic.

MBS is also less attached to Palestinian cause than his father. He cut financial aid to the Palestinian authority, censored online criticism of Israel, etc.. And it's an open secret that there is already extensive security and intelligence cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arbia.

I think the Saudi's desperately want this deal as much as the Americans and Israelis. The world is transitioning away from Oil (and therefore Saudi's relevance). They prob will sacrifice some of their Palestinian demands in order to get a NATO style guarantees from US.
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Sorry, but just who is the US supposed to protect Saudi Arabia from exactly? The Saudis already did the hard part of making peace with Iran, with China as facilitator and guarantor of that peace. What need do they have for American security guarantees? To protect them against whom? Because America and Israel are their biggest internal and external security threats right now and into the future.

Israel has made itself even more of a pariah than it ever has been with its ongoing brutal genocide of the Palestinians. Any Arab or Muslim government would face massive internal opposition if not open rebellion to be seen to be supporting Israel right now. Even that dictator in all but name Erdogan who is in charge of a people who most want to be western is forced to violently change cause on Israel.

America is becoming an oil and gas net exporter due to fracking. China is the Saudi’s biggest customer. Therefore its entirely plausible for America to look to destroy Saudi oilfields to cut supply to China as a fail safe contingency plan.

Finally, security guarantees are only worth anything if the guarantor is willing to live up to their end of the bargain. America has shown the world in no uncertain terms that it desperately does not want to be dragged into another ME war, not even to protect its most treasured holy cow Israel. What worth would any of its security guarantees to Saudi Arabia be worth after that? If America will not fight for Israel, what prized idiot would think they would fight for Saudi Arabia?
 
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