During the initial planning of the IRAQ INVASION 2003 the US military was going to utilize it's ULTRA MODERN 4th Infantry division through Turkey. As stated by Gen.Wes Clark (ret.) on his book titled " Winning Modern Wars" pages 21-22
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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Even if the Saudis wanted to establish ties with Israel (which they probably did in the past), given how Israel has acted in recent months, anybody in the Islamic world establishing such ties runs the risk of great internal upheavals from the domestic Muslim population who are already enraged not only due to Israel's actions but also due to their local government's lack of response.
Should the Saudis proceed to normalize relations with Israel at this particular moment, it will surely ensue a fervid discontent among it's citizens, and internally risk the security of the already established status quo of the monarchy. Both the Americans and Israelis should have predicted this prior to running their mass-murdering campaign of genocide in the region. Now the Saudis are placed in a quagmire: 1. Cooperate with Israel/America for security of the monarchy, or; 2. Keep internal order in place. They cannot have both.
Haifa Port is partly owned by India's Adani Ports & SEZ, while a new Chinese-built terminal in 2021 is operated by China's SIPG on a 25-year lease. The munition fired is claimed to be the Arqab cruise missile.
New levels of sick!
The rubble from Palestine's destruction, which still has in it the remains of dead Palestinians, is being used to build the pier at Ashdod. $300 million pier which still isn't complete after more than 2 months of construction - it has to be shown that the aid is coming from Israel, not from Egypt which is closest to Rafah with already existing infrastructure in place for aid delivery.
Protests and damage in Tel Aviv, calling for Netanyahu's resignation
New levels of sick!
The rubble from Palestine's destruction, which still has in it the remains of dead Palestinians, is being used to build the pier at Ashdod. $300 million pier which still isn't complete after more than 2 months of construction - it has to be shown that the aid is coming from Israel, not from Egypt which is closest to Rafah with already existing infrastructure in place for aid delivery.
Protests and damage in Tel Aviv, calling for Netanyahu's resignation
This is the biggest thing. But, we need to look out for if Erdogan started rerouting trade with Israel through third countries and just used this as marketing.
But, even then, that would probably still increase prices and damage the Israeli economy, and it was a big international slap in the face, another one, altogether.
The Saudi kingdom seems pretty stable. Countries likes Jordan are under pressure. But the bigger obstacle would be the Israelis. The deal involves the eventual establishment of a Palestinian state, which Netanyahu has worked his entire career to prevent. He’s going to give up on that now?
On the other hand, the fact that the Saudi’s are willing to continue the negotiations despite what’s happening in Gaza is a sign they desperately want a deal too. They are asking to become a willing vassal.
It is just that this "fact" has been basically presented by the delusional and malicious Western media, we don't know what is the real nature of those "negotiations". Maybe the US just spam texts them or something, who knows lol?
But we know from explicit statements that Saudis would, in the real world, agree only on 1967 borders, as a two-state solution, to agree to the normalization with Israel, which is basically a lose-lose nightmare scenario, for the US and Israel.
So if the US continues to negotiate with Saudis, despite that, then it shows you who has the "weaker hand" there. Paying Saudis additionally in military matters + cutting Israel in half as requirements. Those are a kind of demands your enemy would make on you, not "vassals" lol, haha.
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The Saudis are clever, in fact they had coordinate this effort with the Chinese, there is a diplomatic race between China and the US in the Middle East and the US is racing for time. There is a meeting with Chinese foreign ministry between the 2 different groups in Palestine, the Hamas and Fatah, if the Chinese had both of them to agree to work together and form a coalition, it will further advance the Palestinian cause in establishing a viable state, So the American need to be creative instead of stopping Israel they have to expend huge amount of money and prestige to upstage the Chinese, it will be a Pyrrhic victory if they get one and it may spell the end of American involvement in the middle east.