Hong-Kong Protests

LKK815

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Sorry, but this is pretty much BS fantasy mixed in with elements of reality.

True elements
- USG did provide funding to rioters directly and indirectly through intermediaries like Jimmy Lai.
- There are a lot of "trainers" on Taiwan who claim to be military/ex-military/specialists etc. doing hand-to-hand combat classes, "firearms" classes (with airsoft), such as Kuma academy. They are essentially just LARPers and not really tied to the military.
- Some bomb making materials were recovered from some investigations

All the other stuff was basically China Collapse/HK Independence fanfic. Yes, these guys actually probably believed in this stuff, but pretty much on par with the US rednecks who think they will do their part to take down the deep state by shooting down USAF F-16s with their AR-15 because it has a really good scope. Huge difference between what they believe (or wanted to happen) vs. reality. Someone once posted a Taiwan comic with a woman pilot that shoots down 10 J-20s with her F-16.

Honestly, if you think about it objectively, life imprisonment is unnecessary. You imprison them for 5 years, even 3 years. Who will hire them? One of them was already an 22-yo unemployed guy. Probably an underachieving-incel type. No surprise they would hatch an anti-social plot.

PS. No death penalty in HK.


These snippets are allegedly from the ongoing jimmy Lai trials that has been stitched together. I am a bit skeptical,but considering how unhinged the anti government forces can get I wouldn't put it pass them to attempt something like this.
 
Sorry, but this is pretty much BS fantasy mixed in with elements of reality.

True elements
- USG did provide funding to rioters directly and indirectly through intermediaries like Jimmy Lai.
- There are a lot of "trainers" on Taiwan who claim to be military/ex-military/specialists etc. doing hand-to-hand combat classes, "firearms" classes (with airsoft), such as Kuma academy. They are essentially just LARPers and not really tied to the military.
- Some bomb making materials were recovered from some investigations

All the other stuff was basically China Collapse/HK Independence fanfic. Yes, these guys actually probably believed in this stuff, but pretty much on par with the US rednecks who think they will do their part to take down the deep state by shooting down USAF F-16s with their AR-15 because it has a really good scope. Huge difference between what they believe (or wanted to happen) vs. reality. Someone once posted a Taiwan comic with a woman pilot that shoots down 10 J-20s with her F-16.

Honestly, if you think about it objectively, life imprisonment is unnecessary. You imprison them for 5 years, even 3 years. Who will hire them? One of them was already an 22-yo unemployed guy. Probably an underachieving-incel type. No surprise they would hatch an anti-social plot.

PS. No death penalty in HK.

You are assuming the that the plotters are rational, but we know enough to know that many are in fact just spoil brats crybabies that are easily manipulated. Not saying there are no real grievances, just that they are incapable of dealing with it rationally.

There are enough idoits who are willing to pull such a stunt.
 
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daifo

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TLDR of the tweet:

Apparently during the height of the protests in 2019. An attack involving the usage of firearms and explosives against the police and blue establishments was planned by HK protestors on 8th December. The goal was to kill as many officers and pro government supporters and causing as much chaos as possible in an attempt to trigger a collapse of the HK govt. The participants went overseas to Taiwan where they received training.

Fortunately they were caught and the attack was foiled by HKPF. More details would be revealed this week as the tweet claims.

Not sure how true this is...but if it is I would not be surprised. All participants in this planned attacked must be severely punished. Life sentences or death penality preferably(not too sure about this last one since it could turn them into martyrs)


I think this may be the case pending with potential life imprisonment.

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Chevalier

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Hidden snipers firing into crowds of protestors is a signature tactic of CIA sponsored colour revolutions, as observed in Ukraine. What makes me curious is why the americans think they're so immune to Chinese/Russian reprisals. What's to stop a Sino-Russian intelligence group in CONUS in firing at crowds of american protestors (take your pick right now) what with the mass proliferation of freedom to bear arms?
 

manqiangrexue

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Hidden snipers firing into crowds of protestors is a signature tactic of CIA sponsored colour revolutions, as observed in Ukraine. What makes me curious is why the americans think they're so immune to Chinese/Russian reprisals. What's to stop a Sino-Russian intelligence group in CONUS in firing at crowds of american protestors (take your pick right now) what with the mass proliferation of freedom to bear arms?
They think they're immune because 1. they're desperate so they don't think of the consequences and 2. that's not our style. China right now is pure power, no tricks; just grow grow grow. We don't need to use assassinations, terrorism, incite revolutions, none of that desperate weak bullshit. We're just smarter, work harder and there's way more of us so there's no way they can deal with that except wait to get run over. You can bribe the judges, put laxatives in his drink, you send hookers to his room to keep him up all night, but you're still not gonna win against a boxer who's 3x your size and can lift a pickup truck.
 
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plawolf

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Hidden snipers firing into crowds of protestors is a signature tactic of CIA sponsored colour revolutions, as observed in Ukraine. What makes me curious is why the americans think they're so immune to Chinese/Russian reprisals. What's to stop a Sino-Russian intelligence group in CONUS in firing at crowds of american protestors (take your pick right now) what with the mass proliferation of freedom to bear arms?

Because mass shootings are literally a dime a dozen in the US. What’s a few more?
 

supersnoop

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These snippets are allegedly from the ongoing jimmy Lai trials that has been stitched together. I am a bit skeptical,but considering how unhinged the anti government forces can get I wouldn't put it pass them to attempt something like this.
Attempt vs. actually have the means to carry out are two different things.
An extremely popular tactic of western law enforcement is to set up simply honeypot traps. They troll message boards for "terrorists" and "drug dealers", offer them weapons/drugs and then arrest them and announce a huge bust.
It is almost entrapment, except they can prove the intent was pre-existing before police contact.
However, these guys were probably never smart enough to become Osama or Escobar.

You are assuming the that the plotters are rational, but we know enough to know that many are in fact just spoil brats crybabies that are easily manipulated. Not saying there are no real grievances, just that they are incapable of dealing with it rationally.

There are enough idoits who are willing to pull such a stunt.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying to ignore such people. Being from Toronto, there was the infamous van attack, so it can be serious. However, I just think in this case, there is probably a huge gulf between what they wanted to do and how far they actually got.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Because mass shootings are literally a dime a dozen in the US. What’s a few more?
Eh, it will likely still cause a massive uproar if it happened during a very big protest.

Although, I don't even think US's enemies even need to attempt it, as i see it happening 'natutally' in the near to mid future.
 

zbb

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Hidden snipers firing into crowds of protestors is a signature tactic of CIA sponsored colour revolutions, as observed in Ukraine. What makes me curious is why the americans think they're so immune to Chinese/Russian reprisals. What's to stop a Sino-Russian intelligence group in CONUS in firing at crowds of american protestors (take your pick right now) what with the mass proliferation of freedom to bear arms?
Because mass shootings are literally a dime a dozen in the US. What’s a few more?

They literally bombed their own citizens and it was no big deal.
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The 1985 MOVE bombing, locally known by its date, May 13, 1985,
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was the destruction of residential homes in the
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onto the roof of a house occupied by MOVE. The Philadelphia Police Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring homes over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless.
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Six adults and five children were killed in the attack,
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with one adult and one child surviving.
 

Chevalier

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They literally bombed their own citizens and it was no big deal.
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Yes but from the reasoning of US elites, those were black americans and therefore not recognised as human, unlike caucasoids. Look at how justice is very dependant on race in america, as is the case across the anglosphere.
In anglo controlled colonial HK, there was plenty of massacres against the local Chinese.
 
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