I am a little bit surprised, and I just noticed that ZTQ did NOT use double plate double pin track. Anyone knows why?Group photo.
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ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks
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Some information about the new generation ERAs:
(originally posted Dec 21, 2019)
2017年的兵器工业52研究所纪录片，首次展示了国产电磁装甲和自主创新的爆炸反应装甲。
“第一代反应装甲，相当于是在国外基础上发展，然后逐渐从第二代开始都是创新的东西，一直到现在是第五代。咱们都有专利，都获了奖，都获得了应用，这样一点一点达到了世界不能说是先进，而且是领先水平”——中国兵器工业集团首席专家 曹贺全。【图5-6】
【图2-3】国产电磁主动装甲防杆式穿甲弹实验，电磁装甲在弹药命中前提前引爆，增加弹靶作用时间，显著提高防护性能。
【图4-5】国产“三防”（防穿防破防串联）反应装甲防串联弹效果动画演示，双层楔形平板反应装甲搭配聚能反击弹，能够有效应付各种类型的反坦克弹药，国外目前没有见过相同原理的产品。（FY4研制出来到现在也块30年了，14年左右获准出口，现在原理也已经公开了）
【图8】新一代轻型坦克装甲方案，此处是原型车模型，15式应该也有差不多的配置。
【图9】第四代坦克相关。
Rough translation:
A documentary of the 52nd research institute of ordnance industries in 2017, first showing the domestic electromagnetic armor and the new self-developed ERA.
"The first generation of ERA was developed based on foreign designs, and from the 2nd gen on there were new innovations, until now the 5th gen. We all got patents, have all been awarded and our technologies applied, bit by bit becoming a leader in the world's ERA development." —— chief expert of Norinco, Cao Hequan
[Pictures 2-3] KE test of the domestic electromagnetic active armor, the armor explodes before the shell strikes, increasing time of contact between the shell and the target, dramatically improving the performance of protection.
[Pictures 4-5] Domestic "Triple defense (protection against KE, HEAT and tandem)" ERA module animated demonstration against a tandem HEAT shell, which uses dual-layered wedge-shaped-plate and Gathering-energy-effect counterattack modules, is able to deal with all types of anti tank munitions, and the mechanism of the product is exclusive to China. (FY4 has been fully developed for nearly 30 years, was allowed to export in roughly 2014, and the mechanism has already been uncovered.)
[Picture 8] Next gen light tank armor scheme, the picture shows a model of the prototype, similar specs are expected for the Type 15.
[Picture 9] Fourth gen tank related. (High power-density piston developed for the 4th gen)
This guy is an old member when concerning domestic tanks and according to him, had even seen the blueprint and some other details of the type 99. His informations are quite reliable.
It is now clear that FY5 is an existing product and has a high chance of being under service (he confessed it being used on the Type 15 in another post), and that FY4 uses a new exclusive mechanism.
I strongly recommend checking out his profile on weibo, if you can read chinese. There is still some information concerning Chinese tanks where i will choose to post and translate.
Some other reliable sources: (Chinese required) 重兵器吧 on baidu tieba, where a guy called Ilike磁能 also integrates some information on Chinese tanks. Obj-477 also releases some information here as well (the fact that 15 uses FY5 is released here).
I'm Chinese so I cant translate so well so you can ask me if you want.
(originally posted Dec 21, 2019)
2017年的兵器工业52研究所纪录片，首次展示了国产电磁装甲和自主创新的爆炸反应装甲。
“第一代反应装甲，相当于是在国外基础上发展，然后逐渐从第二代开始都是创新的东西，一直到现在是第五代。咱们都有专利，都获了奖，都获得了应用，这样一点一点达到了世界不能说是先进，而且是领先水平”——中国兵器工业集团首席专家 曹贺全。【图5-6】
【图2-3】国产电磁主动装甲防杆式穿甲弹实验，电磁装甲在弹药命中前提前引爆，增加弹靶作用时间，显著提高防护性能。
【图4-5】国产“三防”（防穿防破防串联）反应装甲防串联弹效果动画演示，双层楔形平板反应装甲搭配聚能反击弹，能够有效应付各种类型的反坦克弹药，国外目前没有见过相同原理的产品。（FY4研制出来到现在也块30年了，14年左右获准出口，现在原理也已经公开了）
【图8】新一代轻型坦克装甲方案，此处是原型车模型，15式应该也有差不多的配置。
【图9】第四代坦克相关。
Rough translation:
A documentary of the 52nd research institute of ordnance industries in 2017, first showing the domestic electromagnetic armor and the new self-developed ERA.
"The first generation of ERA was developed based on foreign designs, and from the 2nd gen on there were new innovations, until now the 5th gen. We all got patents, have all been awarded and our technologies applied, bit by bit becoming a leader in the world's ERA development." —— chief expert of Norinco, Cao Hequan
[Pictures 2-3] KE test of the domestic electromagnetic active armor, the armor explodes before the shell strikes, increasing time of contact between the shell and the target, dramatically improving the performance of protection.
[Pictures 4-5] Domestic "Triple defense (protection against KE, HEAT and tandem)" ERA module animated demonstration against a tandem HEAT shell, which uses dual-layered wedge-shaped-plate and Gathering-energy-effect counterattack modules, is able to deal with all types of anti tank munitions, and the mechanism of the product is exclusive to China. (FY4 has been fully developed for nearly 30 years, was allowed to export in roughly 2014, and the mechanism has already been uncovered.)
[Picture 8] Next gen light tank armor scheme, the picture shows a model of the prototype, similar specs are expected for the Type 15.
[Picture 9] Fourth gen tank related. (High power-density piston developed for the 4th gen)
This guy is an old member when concerning domestic tanks and according to him, had even seen the blueprint and some other details of the type 99. His informations are quite reliable.
It is now clear that FY5 is an existing product and has a high chance of being under service (he confessed it being used on the Type 15 in another post), and that FY4 uses a new exclusive mechanism.
I strongly recommend checking out his profile on weibo, if you can read chinese. There is still some information concerning Chinese tanks where i will choose to post and translate.
Some other reliable sources: (Chinese required) 重兵器吧 on baidu tieba, where a guy called Ilike磁能 also integrates some information on Chinese tanks. Obj-477 also releases some information here as well (the fact that 15 uses FY5 is released here).
I'm Chinese so I cant translate so well so you can ask me if you want.
The guy I mentioned (Obj-477) says,
url: , #41
translation of the last sentence: BTW the new light tank uses 5th gen ERA.
BTW this post is about an article about the Type 15, written by Taiwan, which is actually very objective compared to some other Taiwan articles. Except that it said M1A2T's KE was 850, and the weight of the Type 15 was 36t (which is actually the full weight of VT5, the actual weight of Type 15 should be 30t (version without ERA, for example the version showed in the 2019 parade) or 33t (version with FY5, which has been frequently exposed in various official magazines and on the internet)).
Not sure, but the hull looks more like a VT5 than a ZTQ15 to me.Group photo.
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That's the commander version of ZTQ15 that I was talking about, with FY5 ERA and weighing 33t.A few high-resolution screen captures...
BTW can somebody try to figure out with the naked eye the thickness of the ERA in pic 2 and 4, might be useful ()
seems to me that its roughly 150mm thick
*INFORMATION*
Quite early info actually, first released on Nov. 27, 2019.
A fan-only post by 477.
link:
Original:
105 IV。
105 III（自用代号DTC02,外贸代号BTA2）早在2012年以前就批准外贸，当然是有底气的。
Translation:
In the picture is 105 IV.
105 III (domestically called DTC02, foreign trade version BTA2) was allowed to export as early as 2012, so we're confident enough about that.
Some of his replies to comments:
Q: Are there any conventional 105 sabots with above 600RHA pen?
A: Pen depends on the standards, if you use NATO single-layered heavy target and v50 standards, III can reach or exceed 600 at 2km. If it's some standard used for armor testing then the NATO standards is hitting a multi-layered vertical target then calculating its equivalent semi-infinite penetration. The numbers are lower using this standard.
Q: So the 105IV is going to be released?!
A: When you see it, it means it's been there for a while.
Q (asked by monochromelody, senior moderator at 重兵器吧 I mentioned a while ago):
Here comes an interesting question, anyone remember the simulation round in 军武零距离 Episode 1?
A: The dimensions of III and IV are basically the same, which means the full rounds would only have differences in details, you can't recognize that with a simulation round.
Some other comment (I don't guarantee its reliability):
The pen of the BTA2 is the same as the export 125II.
7 minutes later he replied to his own comment:
No, slightly less, it's 220/66.4.
(I remember the 125II being 220/68.5)
Quite early info actually, first released on Nov. 27, 2019.
A fan-only post by 477.
link:
Original:
105 IV。
105 III（自用代号DTC02,外贸代号BTA2）早在2012年以前就批准外贸，当然是有底气的。
Translation:
In the picture is 105 IV.
105 III (domestically called DTC02, foreign trade version BTA2) was allowed to export as early as 2012, so we're confident enough about that.
Some of his replies to comments:
Q: Are there any conventional 105 sabots with above 600RHA pen?
A: Pen depends on the standards, if you use NATO single-layered heavy target and v50 standards, III can reach or exceed 600 at 2km. If it's some standard used for armor testing then the NATO standards is hitting a multi-layered vertical target then calculating its equivalent semi-infinite penetration. The numbers are lower using this standard.
Q: So the 105IV is going to be released?!
A: When you see it, it means it's been there for a while.
Q (asked by monochromelody, senior moderator at 重兵器吧 I mentioned a while ago):
Here comes an interesting question, anyone remember the simulation round in 军武零距离 Episode 1?
A: The dimensions of III and IV are basically the same, which means the full rounds would only have differences in details, you can't recognize that with a simulation round.
Some other comment (I don't guarantee its reliability):
The pen of the BTA2 is the same as the export 125II.
7 minutes later he replied to his own comment:
No, slightly less, it's 220/66.4.
(I remember the 125II being 220/68.5)
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I don't see anyone translating this, so once again a fan-only post by 477.
(Actually the fan-only posts are regularly leaks of interesting informative photos.)
link: (posted Feb.10)
Original:
99A，15（图片来自网络）
Translation:
99A, 15 (Photos from the internet.)
(Obviously the first two are turrets of the 99A and the last one is the hull of the 15)
(Actually the fan-only posts are regularly leaks of interesting informative photos.)
link: (posted Feb.10)
Original:
99A，15（图片来自网络）
Translation:
99A, 15 (Photos from the internet.)
(Obviously the first two are turrets of the 99A and the last one is the hull of the 15)
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Still another fan-only post by 477, type 15 relevant.
link: (posted Feb. 6)
(He didn't say anything)
Translation of the pictures (from left to right):
Aluminum alloy armor plates;
Titanium alloy armor plates;
Metal-confined ceramics (I'm not sure about this one);
Anti-detonation energy-absorbing composite material (not sure, might be anti-shockwave);
Steel armor hull;
Proximity detection-and-counteraction technologies (the electromagnetic armor I mentioned here, the pictures are even the same:
(I reckon it being the list of technologies used for 15's armor)
(Perhaps the mechanisms for the FY5 is the electromagnetic armor mentioned here? After all, he also said
(The date in the fifth picture reads 2012.6.28.)
Some comments: (477 himself didn't answer any questions in the comments, which is quite weird, therefore I can't guarantee the reliability)
1. "The hull seems like a product of the 201 institute during the Type 15's bidding."
(I think this one might be right, as there were two bidders during the bidding of the Type 15: institutes 617 and 201. The 617's scheme won and became the final type 15. One common mistake about this was that the VT5 was modified from the 201's scheme, but the VT5 is actually just a product that was tasked for export in the first place, and had used some technologies of Type 15 and 96B. The tonnage, technical specs and design time of the VT5 and the Type 15 were totally different.
Source of the VT5's differences and things in common with the Type 15: (Chinese required, written by Ilike磁能 i mentioned a while ago, posted on 重兵器吧, 2019.10.7)
Probably an image of the 201 scheme:
, from Ilike's post, also seen in 477's post about next gen ERAs that I translated three days ago: , pic 8, Chinese required.
From the image it can be seen that the power cabin of the scheme is slightly tilted downwards, just like the hull in the photo does. )
2. "Does anti-detonation refer to protection against HESH? Like the ones on the LFP of M1"
(This one is reasonable, as because of weight issues the Type 15's LFP or turret cheek might not have composite armor, but this is still a speculation. See for details. (Still written by Ilike, about the Chinese 4th gen and some weight saving methods. Chinese required. ))
3. "500K?!"
(This is actually a joke/neta, as the penalty for disclosure here in China is 500,000 yuan. It means that they suspect that the information here is secrecy. However the post has been living on for more than a month now and 477 himself is as good as usual so this is just new information. (477 himself actually acts like a spokesman for the armored technologies community so therefore his posts should all be already approved by officials. (That's why I dare pubish this information here, another reason is that most of you in the forum are supporting us so this isn't a big problem.) Also this is probably also the reason for his only releasing this little information and not answering any questions, for further information might involve secrecy.))
The content above in (xxx) only represents my own opinions and speculations and is not official information.
link: (posted Feb. 6)
(He didn't say anything)
Translation of the pictures (from left to right):
Aluminum alloy armor plates;
Titanium alloy armor plates;
Metal-confined ceramics (I'm not sure about this one);
Anti-detonation energy-absorbing composite material (not sure, might be anti-shockwave);
Steel armor hull;
Proximity detection-and-counteraction technologies (the electromagnetic armor I mentioned here, the pictures are even the same:
).
(I reckon it being the list of technologies used for 15's armor)
(Perhaps the mechanisms for the FY5 is the electromagnetic armor mentioned here? After all, he also said
)
(The date in the fifth picture reads 2012.6.28.)
Some comments: (477 himself didn't answer any questions in the comments, which is quite weird, therefore I can't guarantee the reliability)
1. "The hull seems like a product of the 201 institute during the Type 15's bidding."
(I think this one might be right, as there were two bidders during the bidding of the Type 15: institutes 617 and 201. The 617's scheme won and became the final type 15. One common mistake about this was that the VT5 was modified from the 201's scheme, but the VT5 is actually just a product that was tasked for export in the first place, and had used some technologies of Type 15 and 96B. The tonnage, technical specs and design time of the VT5 and the Type 15 were totally different.
Source of the VT5's differences and things in common with the Type 15: (Chinese required, written by Ilike磁能 i mentioned a while ago, posted on 重兵器吧, 2019.10.7)
Probably an image of the 201 scheme:
, from Ilike's post, also seen in 477's post about next gen ERAs that I translated three days ago: , pic 8, Chinese required.
From the image it can be seen that the power cabin of the scheme is slightly tilted downwards, just like the hull in the photo does. )
2. "Does anti-detonation refer to protection against HESH? Like the ones on the LFP of M1"
(This one is reasonable, as because of weight issues the Type 15's LFP or turret cheek might not have composite armor, but this is still a speculation. See for details. (Still written by Ilike, about the Chinese 4th gen and some weight saving methods. Chinese required. ))
3. "500K?!"
(This is actually a joke/neta, as the penalty for disclosure here in China is 500,000 yuan. It means that they suspect that the information here is secrecy. However the post has been living on for more than a month now and 477 himself is as good as usual so this is just new information. (477 himself actually acts like a spokesman for the armored technologies community so therefore his posts should all be already approved by officials. (That's why I dare pubish this information here, another reason is that most of you in the forum are supporting us so this isn't a big problem.) Also this is probably also the reason for his only releasing this little information and not answering any questions, for further information might involve secrecy.))
The content above in (xxx) only represents my own opinions and speculations and is not official information.
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