ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks

Hendrik_2000

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105 mm APFSDS demonstration video at the end of screen grab. They use type 59 for demonstration I assume the same gun for ZTQ smooth bore gun?. I am not sure it is concrete or steel?. Look like steel to me. Any one know the RHA 500 mm?

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Ready
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Fire
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10 plates
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Penetration
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Video
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Here is the spec. the demonstration more or less confirm 500mm RHA
According to this author it is RHA 500 mm but rifled gun and not smooth bore. good little tank with more than adequate hitting power
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This new Chinese tank is armed with a fully-stabilized 105 mm rifled gun. It is compatible with all standard NATO 105 mm tank ammunition. The gun it has got an automatic bustle-mounted ammunition loading system, which allowed to reduce the crew to 3 men. Also smaller crew allowed to reduce overall dimension of the tank, making it a smaller target on the battlefield. The new light tank has got an effective firing range of 3 km. With APFSDS round can penetrate up to 500 mm of rolled homogenous armor. Such penetration capabilities are not sufficient to defeat modern main battle tanks over the front arc. However this tank can also launch 105 mm anti-tank guided missiles in the same manner as ordinary munitions. These extend the effective range to up to 5 km and hit probability of over 90% against stationary targets. Furthermore the missiles have tandem HEAT warheads and pose serious threat to main battle tanks, and can even target low-flying helicopters. Also there are ordinary HEAT and HE rounds for use against light armored vehicles, buildings and field fortifications.

A total of 38 rounds and missiles are carried for the main gun. Spent cases are automatically ejected via a hatch at the rear of the turret.

Secondary armament consists of a remotely-controlled weapon station, armed with a 12.7 mm machine gun and 40 mm automatic grenade launcher. There is also a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun.
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by78

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105 mm APFSDS demonstration video at the end of screen grab. They use type 59 for demonstration I assume the same gun for ZTQ smooth bore gun?.

It's not the same gun as on the Type 59. ZTQ's gun is rifled and allegedly based on the Royal Ordnance L7.
 

Dfangsaur

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Here is the spec. the demonstration more or less confirm 500mm RHA
According to this author it is RHA 500 mm but rifled gun and not smooth bore. good little tank with more than adequate hitting power
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ZTQ%20Light%20Tank%203.jpg


This new Chinese tank is armed with a fully-stabilized 105 mm rifled gun. It is compatible with all standard NATO 105 mm tank ammunition. The gun it has got an automatic bustle-mounted ammunition loading system, which allowed to reduce the crew to 3 men. Also smaller crew allowed to reduce overall dimension of the tank, making it a smaller target on the battlefield. The new light tank has got an effective firing range of 3 km. With APFSDS round can penetrate up to 500 mm of rolled homogenous armor. Such penetration capabilities are not sufficient to defeat modern main battle tanks over the front arc. However this tank can also launch 105 mm anti-tank guided missiles in the same manner as ordinary munitions. These extend the effective range to up to 5 km and hit probability of over 90% against stationary targets. Furthermore the missiles have tandem HEAT warheads and pose serious threat to main battle tanks, and can even target low-flying helicopters. Also there are ordinary HEAT and HE rounds for use against light armored vehicles, buildings and field fortifications.

A total of 38 rounds and missiles are carried for the main gun. Spent cases are automatically ejected via a hatch at the rear of the turret.

Secondary armament consists of a remotely-controlled weapon station, armed with a 12.7 mm machine gun and 40 mm automatic grenade launcher. There is also a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun.
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Why did they use 105mm instead of 125mm on ZTQ like the one on sprut-SD?
 

Dfangsaur

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The 105mm gun is a smaller assembly overall, lower recoil and you can fit a lot more ammo in a smaller vehicle using 105mm ammunition compared to 125mm.
Yeah, but doesn't the 125mm 2A75 have better penetration than 105mm L7? Sprut-Sd is also about 15 tons lighter than ZTQ, therefore I feel like ZTQ can definitely handle a bigger gun than a 105.
 

Sunbud

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Yeah, but doesn't the 125mm 2A75 have better penetration than 105mm L7? Sprut-Sd is also about 15 tons lighter than ZTQ, therefore I feel like ZTQ can definitely handle a bigger gun than a 105.
Sprut SD is a lightly armoured tank destroyer. Although the ZTQ is a lot bigger, a lot of it is armour. The ZTQ is designed to take a hit or two rather than just a tank gun on an IFV chassis.
 

gelgoog

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Yeah, but doesn't the 125mm 2A75 have better penetration than 105mm L7? Sprut-Sd is also about 15 tons lighter than ZTQ, therefore I feel like ZTQ can definitely handle a bigger gun than a 105.

It depends on the particulars of the opponents they want to face. In Southeast Asia, for example, you would want a small light tank because most of it is marshes and woods. There is a poor road infrastructure. In addition there are also logistical concerns, like Sunbud said, you can carry more rounds in the vehicle and the logistics trail for that is smaller as well. The L7 105mm rifled gun proved to be better than the Soviet equivalents back in the Iran-Iraq war and also in the Israelo-Arab conflicts. In many cases the opponents were using 122mm ammo. To increase the penetration power with 120mm+ ammo, so that it makes sense, you need to increase the chamber pressure. This means there will be more recoil. In a lightweight platform this means the tank becomes unstable due to recoil. It makes firing on the move impossible. Lightweight tanks that have larger caliber guns like 120mm+ need to either have a shock absorption system or operate at a lower pressure which kinda negates the caliber advantage. The L7 gun can destroy all Soviet tanks prior to the T-72. Even later tanks would be vulnerable to it in the sides or the back. The fact that the Chinese probably already had a lot of 105mm ammo on their stocks also likely influenced the decision.
 
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