A kid stealing a helicopter? Someone needs to find her parents quickly.The first batch of female pilots are being trained to fly the Z-20.
Z-20 (all variants) thread
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Not yet and even for foreseeable future it's not a done deal
When there is a major surface combatant comes near your ARG your response shouldn't be "let's send a helicopter". Especially heli vs destroyer doesn't tend to end well.
Again it shouldn't be a helicopter's job to do anti-ship mission. They take valuable deck and hangar space which for 075 are dedicated to landing support and ASW missions. And even if we really need to send a copper after a ship, it's better to send a Z-20 or Z-18 (their ASW variant would have the capability and are more suited for the mission) as not wasting a heavy gunship like Ka-52 where most of its sophisticated equipment won't come to use.
Yes I'm comparing an RUSSIAN aircraft which already has prototypes flying for years which is based on a proven airframe with a whole new CHINESE aircraft and I think the whole new aircraft MIGHT be ready sooner.
A good example would be Su-35. It took so long for Su-35 to deliver it almost came into PLA service later than J-16 which start its development way later than former.
To clarify it I would be happy to see Ka-52 on 075's deck. It's a very capable heavy helicopter which PLA don't have a counterpart as of now. But that's only if it can deliver in a rather short time (like 3-5 years) in sufficient number, and it would be ideal if it can work well with other chinese equipment.
Not to offend anyone but with the current state of russian aviation industry it could accomplish such a quest but the chance that one or multiple instance of delaying, slow production, failing to meet certain requirements is considerable. And what ammunition would it use? (Let's ignore how russian avionics would work with chinese network cause I don't think they can solve that anyway) Are they going to use russian? In Su-35's case PLA already has a large stock of russian ammunition but for Ka-52 everything need to be imported and infrastructure, logistic, and personal needed to be established from scratch. Or are they going to use chinese? That's another couple (or more) years of works added to make it compatible with chinese missiles. Then even if everything is sorted out how long would it takes for russia to produce the numbers to fill by then at least 3 075's deck?
Finally china don't have to build a whole new aircraft. They can make a battlehawk, or made something base on Z-20 like Z-19 to Z-9. With that many effort they might as well make a naval Z-10 and that would be way better than waiting god knows how many years for Ka-52.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
This is OT but you are wrong.
The M256 gun on the Abrams is similar to the Rh L44 but they are not interchangeable. The M256 guns are made in the NY state and as a result of the changes made the US has licensed the M256 outside of Rhinemetall’s L44.
The M249 and M240 are derived from the FN Minimi and Mag respectively but are manufactured to a US owned Technical data package that allows production in the US by US based makers including the US Subsidiary of FNH.
There are cases when the US has bought foreign designs but almost never for frontline service. When it has its either been licensed, heavily modified or such a specialized tool that there is no choice.
I don't know if there is any discussion of a deal, nor any reason for it, but your suggestion does not make much sense to me.
To test that, all need to do is simple and can be immediately done by Russian navy pilot to fly Ka-52Ks and land on and take off from any 075, I am sure PLAN would welcome that as a closer naval and air operation exercise, instead of waiting months or years for a contract and delivery.
I think (if the rumor is real) the argument for it is Ka-52K's higher payload than navalized Z-10. More payload means less time to re-arm, and time is critical in a battle.
That would definitely be worth doing anyhow to improve interoperability between Russian and Chinese naval aviation as well as being a good demonstration operation.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
New prototype of naval version of Z20
Another prototype number 6215 of Z-20J, maneuver and assault version.
Another prototype number 6215 of Z-20J, maneuver and assault version.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
He probably use stock photo to show that 2nd prototype is now testing?