Z-19 armed recon helicopter

Hendrik_2000 said:

The seeker might be modify to take account of sea clutter but the same dimension!

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Oh come on, that missile is nothing but the ordinary KD-9, which is in use since years as the lighter member of the KD-9/10 family of ATGMs. This was the basis for the new missile by replacing the old seeker with a new MMR head. And now you suggest from a single rear-view image it is the new missile but again with a new seeker replacing just the new one with a head that looks exactly like the old one used by the KD-9/10??

Deino said:

Oh come on, that missile is nothing but the ordinary KD-9, which is in use since years as the lighter member of the KD-9/10 family of ATGMs. This was the basis for the new missile by replacing the old seeker with a new MMR head. And now you suggest from a single rear-view image it is the new missile but again with a new seeker replacing just the new one with a head that looks exactly like the old one used by the KD-9/10??

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NO that is not KD 9 the missile dimension is longer than KD9 and the top of the missile is not funnel like but cylinder only the seeker is slightly angle PLUS IT HAS FIN IN FRONT!


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See the difference or you have eye problem. You are completely WRONG EXPERT!

Hendrik_2000 said:

NO that is not KD 9 the missile dimension is longer than KD9 and the top of the missile is not funnel like but cylinder only the seeker is slightly angle PLUS IT HAS FIN IN FRONT!

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In Germany we would say, you are now completely on the "Holzweg" or way off!

If you look closely in the link above there are three ATGM KD-9 (?) shown - two on a Z-9WZ and one fired by the Z-19 - and this one - in fact the TY-90/PL-90 AAM in the fourth image. As such calm down with your stupid bashing like "You are completely WRONG EXPERT!" ... the only one who's wrong and in fact completely is you.

In fact you are mixing three very different missiles, The regular old KD-9/-10 ATGM, the TY/PL-90 AAM and the new ATGM, which is based on the larger KD-10. And in fact NONE shows what you claim:

This first missile is nothing but a regular KD-9/10 ATGM, exactly as on your third image posted (see ). You see only the rear fins and NOTHING in front:



Thes second missile in contrast is the TY-90 or PL-90 AAM here being fired by a Z-19 (see )



and here at Huitong's site:




And none of them is the new ATGM you claimed or showed above in this image or Dafengcao's Tweet:



See also here for comparison:



As such, calling others stupid and mixing in fact three missiles on your own, even more not even noticing that both images you posted in fact show two different missiles; I'm ready to accept your apology "You completely WRONG EXPERT!"

You didn't answer my question where is the front fin .KD 9 had no fin this new missile has. You do have eye problem expert?
There is air to air missile TY90 but that is not KD9. And Ty 90 is thinner too this missile is fatter

Hendrik_2000 said:

NO that is not KD 9 the missile dimension is longer than KD9 and the top of the missile is not funnel like but cylinder only the seeker is slightly angle PLUS IT HAS FIN IN FRONT!

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In this post of yours...

Picture one here is TY-90.

Picture two and three is KD-9/10.


Chill out. Being wrong every now and then isn't a problem. Everyone makes mistakes.
No need to take it so personally.

Bltizo said:

In this post of yours...

Picture one here is TY-90.

Picture two and three is KD-9/10.


Chill out. Being wrong every now and then isn't a problem. Everyone makes mistakes.
No need to take it so personally.

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Well I am answering to his post saying that is KD 9 which certainly is not ! Now you change the goal post saying this is TY 90 so who is wrong here!

Hendrik_2000 said:

Well I am answering to his post saying that is KD 9 which certainly is not ! Now you change the goal post saying this is TY 90 so who is wrong here!

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???

Your original post was here, with two photos.

The new long range radar guided ATGM missile is now tested against sea borne target I guess with range of 10 to 20 km it make sense via LKJ



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Deino was obviously saying that photo one is KD-9/10, and because you posted the photo two again, he had to clarify that the second photo is TY-90.

Point is, neither of the two pictures show the new MMW guided ATGM that we saw last year.
Picture one is KD-9/10, picture two is TY-90.

Hendrik_2000 said:

You didn't answer my question where is the front fin .KD 9 had no fin this new missile has. You do have eye problem expert?
There is air to air missile TY90 but that is not KD9

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Ok, my old friend ... either you accept that you are wrong and apologise or you must accept that your post is way off and the way you post even more. Otherwise you are making nothing but a huge fool out of yourself. So it is up to you: Accept, you are wrong and admit it, and apology for getting rude would be even more nice or shut up!



And again: none of these images show the new missile as you claimed. So again: Who is wrong, who has eye-issues ... and who is the expert?

Well my understanding he refer to the photo 2 posted as KG9/KD10 ok apparently the first missile could be KD 9 but to small to dicernn.in other word 2 different missile. I thought both of them the same missile

Oh come on, that missile is nothing but the ordinary KD-9, which is in use since years as the lighter member of the KD-9/10 family of ATGMs. This was the basis for the new missile by replacing the old seeker with a new MMR head. And now you suggest from a single rear-view image it is the new missile but again with a new seeker replacing just the new one with a head that looks exactly like the old one used by the KD-9/10??

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Hendrik_2000 said:

Well my understanding he refer to the photo I posted as KG9/KD10

Oh come on, that missile is nothing but the ordinary KD-9, which is in use since years as the lighter member of the KD-9/10 family of ATGMs. This was the basis for the new missile by replacing the old seeker with a new MMR head. And now you suggest from a single rear-view image it is the new missile but again with a new seeker replacing just the new one with a head that looks exactly like the old one used by the KD-9/10??

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Take it plain and simply: You claim was:




which is simply wrong since NONE of your two images posted shows the new missile. In fact you did not even notice they are different.

I asked - and IMO quite kindly - why you think in the first image you think it should be since this was the only one similar. The second image is so clearly an AAM, there it not even anything to debate, yet still you insist and in fact insult with stupid claims only since you did not notice that they are different and even two different missiles.

As such again: SHOW me where is the new missile? ... in fact none is it.