Z-19 armed recon helicopter

Somehow the nose reminds me of the ATE Super Hind Mk V...
But I wonder about its gun armament. Will they fit a trainable gun, or resort to fixed and/or podded guns as on the Z-9?

Seems like they wanted to get the public to realize the role of the attack helicopter for sure. I am still waiting for the J10 movie.

They did have a J-10 movie. I posted a pic a while ago of a scene where the bar the characters hanged out looked like a J-10.

J-10 movie and TV series both showed in 2009. J-10 serviced in PLA since 2003, nothing new, I am waiting for J-10B TV series.
if you want to watch movies or TV series for Z-10, and Z-19, you need to wait until they are not new.
China is developing heavy attack helicopter, I think they are waiting for 1,700 hp engine WZ10涡铀10.
Z-10 only mid size attack helicopter with 1,300 hp engine WZ9涡铀9.

So what's the place for Z-19? WZ-10 is mid-weight class attack helo like the A-129 or EuroTigre, Z-19 seems to be smaller still, OH-58 grade perhaps?

MwRYum said:

So what's the place for Z-19? WZ-10 is mid-weight class attack helo like the A-129 or EuroTigre, Z-19 seems to be smaller still, OH-58 grade perhaps?

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like the z 9 it can carry 8 atgm on two quad mounts with a gun mount. The oh 58 looks like it can only carry 4 atgm with no attached gun mount. the z 19 also can like carry dedicated A2A weapons like the the TY 90. It should have about 60% of the capabilities of the WZ 10 based on its armanaments

MwRYum said:

So what's the place for Z-19? WZ-10 is mid-weight class attack helo like the A-129 or EuroTigre, Z-19 seems to be smaller still, OH-58 grade perhaps?

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I think the Z-19 might fit nicely into the place whereby light ground supports are needed. I think the Z-19 could also be used to play the role of recon helicopter with light ground support capability.

WZ-10 are more for heavy anti-tank role.

Price wise might also be playing a big role too. (WZ-10 being the more expensive 'hi' version and Z-19 as a lighter and less expensive 'lo' version and so it gave the hi-lo mixture of attack copter in the PLA.)

Semi-Lobster said:

Well given its size compared to the ground it looks pretty real to me. Having a WZ-19 light attack helicopter and a WZ-10 attack helicopter a good combination, like the United States operating both the AH-64D and the AH-1.

The Z-19 might also prove popular for export if its cheap enough

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I wouldn't necessarily call the latest iteration of the Cobra "light". The AH-1Z is a very formidable weapons platform. All the later version cobras can also carry 16 Hellfires just like the Apaches and their gun is slaved to the helmet as well.

Can anyone confirm if the gun system on the Z-10 is slave to the helmet targeting system or does it have like an equivalent of the IHADSS found on the Apaches and Cobras?

WZ-10 "Helmet mounted targeting and night vision"

kwaigonegin said:

I wouldn't necessarily call the latest iteration of the Cobra "light". The AH-1Z is a very formidable weapons platform. All the later version cobras can also carry 16 Hellfires just like the Apaches and their gun is slaved to the helmet as well.

Can anyone confirm if the gun system on the Z-10 is slave to the helmet targeting system or does it have like an equivalent of the IHADSS found on the Apaches and Cobras?

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"Helmet mounted targeting and night vision

In addition to the millimeter wave fire control radar and optronic FCS, pilots of WZ-10 has another FCS, the helmet mounted sight (HMS) designed by the 613th Research Institute. The HMS is standard for WZ-10, and it is fully integrated into the overall FCS. The HMS of WZ-10 is based on the earlier HMS used on WZ-9, which was first shown at the 5th Zhuhai Airshow held at the end of 2004. The photos of HMS of WZ-10 begun to appear on the Chinese website in 2008, and more information followed. At the 7th Zhuhai Airshow held at the end of 2008, the developer confirmed that the HMS is not only fully integrated into the FCS, but also integrated to onboard navigational system as well. Although the navigational info can be displayed on the MFD, pilots can also fly WZ-10 on their own, without using the navigational system onboard. This is achieved by using night vision goggles (NVG), which the HMS is fully compatible. The HMS of WZ-10 can control both the air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, working in exactly the same way 613th Research Institute’s HMS for jet fighters (which was first shown to the public at the very 1st Zhuihai Airshow in 1996).

Additionally, helmet mounted displays are also developed for WZ-10. Such HMD is similar to the Honeywell M142 Integrated Helmet and Display Sighting System (IHADSS) used on AH-64 Apache, with a small display screen mounted on the side of the helmet. It’s rumored that such HMD is LCD, but this cannot be confirmed, because the actual device has not been shown in public yet. The developer, however, did confirm that HMD is not standard because when this HMD is mounted, NVGs cannot be used, and similarly, when NVG is mounted, HMD cannot be used. It is also unclear whether NVG is standard or not, because all of the official photos of WZ-10 helmet released by the governmental sources do not shown NVGs attached, despite the developer’s claim of the helmet and HMS are fully compatible with NVGs. All of the publicized photos released by the official sources of the Chinese government have shown that the NVGs used WZ-10 (as well as other helicopters in Chinese service) are in the binocular form. As with the case of optronic FCS, NVGs of WZ-10 is developed based on experienced gained in manufacturing similar French and Israeli systems."

3 advantages of directing helicopter engine exhaust upwards

Curious George said:

I'm no expert, but wouldn't the position of the Z-19's engine exhaust (pointing upwards) interfere a bit with the lift of the aircraft? It may not interfere by much, but I believe that it might be more efficient if the exhaust wasn't oriented that way.

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Asymptote said:

There are TWO perfectly good reasons, but I am not going to say it. Its best secrets are kept secret.
That particular detail shows the level of careful thoughts put into the design. I congratulate CAIC for the marvelous design.

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1. By directing the helicopter engine exhaust upwards, it lowers the acoustic signature of the helicopter to potential observers on the ground. It's a good design feature for acoustic stealth.

2. Also, directing the exhaust upwards allows the helicopter blades to diffuse the hot exhaust gases. This is a good method of lowering the infrared signature of the helicopter.

3. When the helicopter is on the ground, you want the hot exhaust gases directed upwards and away from the ground crew. This is a good safety feature.