would MLRS and PGMs be a deterrent force in the taiwan strait against carrier group?

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If CHina uses the its AWACS and try out its newer fifth generation long range IR seeker AAM which I discussed in the AWACS thread against stealth fighters then they should more than enough against the F-18s.

But since US only has airplanes up which is rather limited, they cannot stay in the air forever, I cannot see how those planes can help to repel a full assualt. And the planes will also be in vulnerable position against such coordinated attack.

PLA would first fire the MLRS and PGMs ruin taiwan's land/coastal defense and exhaust its PAC-3. then followed by ballastic missile attack.
 
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lilzz said:
If CHina uses the its AWACS and try out its newer fifth generation long range IR seeker AAM which I discussed in the AWACS thread against stealth fighters then they should more than enough against the F-18s.

But since US only has airplanes up which is rather limited, they cannot stay in the air forever, I cannot see how those planes can help to repel a full assualt. And the planes will also be in vulnerable position against such coordinated attack.

PLA would first fire the MLRS and PGMs ruin taiwan's land/coastal defense and exhaust its PAC-3. then followed by ballastic missile attack.
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The Super Bug has the capability of buddy tank refueling. Furthermore, don't forget the USN has AWACS capability as well. As soon as the Chinese invasion fleet is spotted, it will be attacked.

Furthermore, US units in Guam and Okinawa will also provide support, such as aerial tanking services, AWACS, and air superiority, to heavy bomber support. I would hate to see what would happen to such a fleet when a couple of B-52's launch salvo's of Harpoon missiles at them...
 
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lilzz said:
In battle scenario, if the carrier group detect a group of subs lurking in front, would they stop and ready for battle station or they still charge ahead regardless?

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TAIPEI — A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer shadowed U.S. warships in November in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a 28-hour standoff that brought the group to a battle-ready halt in the tense waters, a report in a Taiwan daily said Tuesday.

The confrontation occurred as the Navy aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk and other ships in its battle group were heading back to Japan following China’s sudden cancellation of a long-scheduled holiday port call in Hong Kong, the China Times said, citing U.S. military sources.

The carrier strike group encountered Chinese destroyer Shenzhen and a Song-class sub in the strait on Nov. 23, causing the group to halt and ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour confrontation, the Chinese-language daily reported.
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journalism on stuff like this is thrown in the toilet and people like yourself just believe it for some reason. it originated from this Taiwanese article that for some reason got copied everywhere. Now, since every side have denied that this took place and that PLAN was hosting a major exercise away from where this action took place, it's clear the article is basically another fear mongering kind of stuff.

I don't know why this question is even been asked. Chinese fighters are not going to get close enough to a carrier to drop PGMs. MLRS don't have the accuracies to hit moving ships and they certainly are not come into the range of these MLRS.
 
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Pointblank said:
The Super Bug has the capability of buddy tank refueling. Furthermore, don't forget the USN has AWACS capability as well. As soon as the Chinese invasion fleet is spotted, it will be attacked.

Furthermore, US units in Guam and Okinawa will also provide support, such as aerial tanking services, AWACS, and air superiority, to heavy bomber support. I would hate to see what would happen to such a fleet when a couple of B-52's launch salvo's of Harpoon missiles at them...
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The F-18s and B-52 would probably got shutdown because not only they don't have decided tech advantage against SU-30s, J10s but also number disadvantage. Not too mention full of SAMs lurching on the coast.
 
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tphuang said:
I don't know why this question is even been asked. Chinese fighters are not going to get close enough to a carrier to drop PGMs. MLRS don't have the accuracies to hit moving ships and they certainly are not come into the range of these MLRS.
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That's why I am saying if the carrier group ever stop in the strait. I guess if they are entering they have to keep moving up/down.
why not? WS-2 can reach east coast of Taiwan. So anything in the strait is a fair game if it's stationary. PGMs launched from bomber from high altitude on the coast of CHina will be able to glide to at least mid pt of the strait.
 
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That's why I am saying if the carrier group ever stop in the strait. I guess if they are entering they have to keep moving up/down.
why not? WS-2 can reach east coast of Taiwan. So anything in the strait is a fair game if it's stationary. PGMs launched from bomber from high altitude on the coast of CHina will be able to glide to at least mid pt of the strait.
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have you checked the accuracy of WS-2? It's improved from WS-1, but the longer the range, the less accurate it will be. Even if the target is stationary and is as big as a carrier, it will have hard time hitting it. Have you checked the range on China's PGMs from different altitudes? What PGMs do you think are in service right now?
 
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The F-18s and B-52 would probably got shutdown because not only they don't have decided tech advantage against SU-30s, J10s but also number disadvantage. Not too mention full of SAMs lurching on the coast.
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The latest blocks of the F/A-18E/F are fitted with AESA radar, in the APG-79 radar.

Furthermore, the venerable B-52 is being continually upgraded while in service. They carry some of the most powerful ECM suites in the air.

Furthermore, Chinese aerial numerical advantage is limited to how many airplanes the airfields close to Taiwan can support. This number will go down with attacks against these airfields. Furthermore, the combat space in the Taiwan Strait and over Taiwan is extremely limited; not many aircraft can be squeezed into the battlespace, and the Chinese have not demonstrated the ability with the management of large groups of aircraft and would likely experience serious C2 difficulties in a complex, swirling air battle.
 
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lilzz said:
That's why I am saying if the carrier group ever stop in the strait. I guess if they are entering they have to keep moving up/down.
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The whole purpose of a carrier is that you keep it outside the range of your enemy but send aircraft to attack.

In a conflict scenario, US carriers would never come into Taiwan straight. They would send their F-18s from far away.

Given the same technology level, air power is always an advantage over ground-based defenses. The F-18s will be able to engage PLAAF and PLAN aircraft, as well as strike PLAN ships without serious risk of being shot down by SAMs.

A US carrier usually has 30-40 F-18s. 2 or 3 carriers would be able to launch a more powerful airforce than Taiwan's entire air force.

There is a reason aircraft carriers are a big deal. Its not a joke.

Thats why PLAN ships need the capability to setup an impressive blockade and keep USN from coming even NEAR Taiwan. Only THEN would they be able to focus properly on Taiwan.
 
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This has all been done to death before; as everyone has said a USN admiral would not be to worried about PGMs and MLRS because he would not enter the Taiwan Strait; the only assets (other than aircraft) that would are submarines. And halting an invasion of Taiwan from outside the Straits is well within the USNs capability for reasons we've seen in this thread and many others.

Basically the best option for China is to blockade Taiwan much like the US did in the Cuban Missle Crisis (action short of war with no shots fired) and then let politics in Taiwan take their course (with some help from Chinese operatives and their fat stacks of cash of course). Now that's Assasins Mace. :china:
 
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