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delft

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Remember how the Russian fleet in 1904 in the North Sea shot at British fishing vessels? The Italian might have been just as careless:
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for 19 February:
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India: Indian police have detained two members of an Italian navy (rmks: naval infantry San Marco Battalion) security team over the fatal shooting of two Indian fishermen from Italian oil tanker ENRICA LEXIE. Will appear in court on 20 Feb. According to some media they might face “murder charges”.
What could it be if not "murder charges"?
 

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Good find Delft. I did see this story this morning..kinda ignored it:(....Here's some pix..this may well turn out to be a very large international story.

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Latorre Massimiliano (back), a member of the navy security team of Napoli registered Italian merchant vessel Enrica Lexie, is seen standing at the guest house of the Central Indian Security Force, in the southern Indian city of Kochi February 20, 2012. Indian police on Sunday detained two members of the Italian navy accused of killing two Indian fishermen they mistook for pirates off the coast of the southern state of Kerala, officials said.

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Latorre Massimiliano (4th L in uniform) and Salvatore Girone (4th R in uniform, with beard), members of the navy security team of Napoli registered Italian merchant vessel Enrica Lexie, are taken for interrogation by the Indian police in the southern Indian city of Kochi February 19, 2012. Two fishermen were killed when a navy security team on an Italian merchant vessel opened fire on a boat it mistook for pirates at sea off the coast of Kerala, officials said on Thursday. A case of murder has been registered against the crew, said a senior official at Neendakara Coastal police station, where surviving fishermen sought help.

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In this late Wednesday, Feb.16, 2012 photograph, people gather as an Indian fishing boat that was fired at by an Italian cargo ship arrives with the dead bodies of two fishermen in Kollam,
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. India's navy said Thursday that the ship identified as Enrica Lexie fired at the fishing boat that it mistook for a pirate vessel in waters off India's southern Kerala state on Wednesday.

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The Napoli registered Italian merchant vessel Enrica Lexie (L) is anchored off the harbour in the southern Indian city of Kochi February 16, 2012. Two fishermen were killed when a navy security team on an Italian merchant vessel opened fire on a boat it mistook for pirates at sea off the coast of Kerala in southern
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, Indian officials said on Thursday.
 

delft

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Further on this incident and from the same source, 20 February:
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India: (update ENRICA LEXIE) An Indian court has remanded two members of an Italian navy security team accused in the fatal shooting of two fishermen in custody for two weeks. Italian navy claims, “in full accordance with existing rules of engagement” the men only fired warning shots in the air and into the water, “not hitting the boat at all”.
 

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By Yochi J. Dreazen | National Journal

The violent protests that erupted in Afghanistan on Tuesday amid reports that American forces burned copies of the Koran are the latest in a series of self-induced wounds for the NATO alliance. The current phase of the long and unpopular war appears to be following a grimly predictable pattern. When there seems to be a smidgeon of good news, NATO troops commit a public relations blunder to overshadow it.

Late last year, for example, National Journal reported that American war deaths in Afghanistan -- steadily increasing for more than five years -- were trending lower in 2011 than the year before. That positive trend was forgotten weeks later when a video showing American Marines urinating on the corpses of dead Taliban fighters hit the Internet. For civilians however, 2011 was the worst year yet _ 3,021 killed, compared to 2,777 the year before, according to the United Nations.

The Taliban’s recent opening of a political office in the Persian Gulf state of Qatar sparked optimism that the U.S. and the armed group might soon begin substantive talks as Western involvement in Afghanistan winds down. Administration officials, speaking privately, said it was the clearest indication to date of the Taliban’s potential willingness to come to the negotiating table.

Now that news is swept aside by NATO’s announcement of a formal investigation into reports that American troops burned copies of the Koran, Islam's holy book. Thousands of Afghans protested outside the gates of the American base where the books were allegedly set on fire, with some of the rioters throwing petrol bombs at the facility. The military ultimately fired flares to dissipate the crowd.

The incident gives the Taliban a public relations boost within Afghanistan while eroding Afghan support for the NATO alliance.

Beyond the politics, allegations about mistreatment of the Koran can have deadly repercussions. In 2005, Newsweek reported that an American interrogator at Guantanamo Bay flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. The magazine ultimately retracted the story, but not before it had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia which killed at least 16 people. Another 18 were killed in Afghanistan last year when a Florida pastor publicly burned copies of the Koran.

Gen. John Allen, the top American commander in Afghanistan, heard about the new allegations on Tuesday morning and immediately ordered a formal probe. Allen also issued an unusual public letter apologizing “for any offense this may have caused” stressing “this was NOT intentional in any way.”

U.S. military officials investigating the current incident say it’s too soon to know if -- or how many -- copies of the Koran were burned.

Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, a spokesman for the NATO alliance, said materials had been gathered at a U.S.-run prison located on the sprawling Bagram airbase and given to troops there for burning. Cummings said some of the papers were religious in nature, but said “the exact type and content of the religious material involved is being investigated.” Cummings said the troops involved were being questioned, but that it was not yet clear that Korans had actually been burned.

But that may not matter. Mere allegations of mistreatment of the Koran can spark spasms of deadly violence throughout the Muslim world, and anything positive out of Afghanistan will be lost in the uproar.
 

Equation

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Again Higher command needs to update the soldiers about discarding old Korans that's fits with that country's standard practice. This burning of the Koran was NOT intentional, so I hope the locals would understand and forgive the US for that mistake.
 

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This burning of the Koran was NOT intentional, so I hope the locals would understand and forgive the US for that mistake.

Not going to happen right now. I think some of those folks are looking for any excuse to hate.

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BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - A packed commuter train plowed into the buffers at a Buenos Aires station during Wednesday's morning rush hour, killing 49 people and injuring more than 600 in Argentina's worst rail accident in more than 30 years, officials said.

Passengers told of chaos and panic as the impact of the collision propelled the second train car into the first carriage, trapping dozens of people as others looked on from the busy platforms at the central Once station.

Officials said faulty brakes were suspected of causing the accident.

"All of a sudden we felt an explosion and we literally flew through the air ... there were lots of people thrown to the floor, injured, bloodied," a passenger wearing a neckbrace who identified himself as Fabio told local television.

"The train (car) was incrusted inside the other ... the seats were gone, they disappeared, and people were jumping out the window," the young man said.

More than 800 people were aboard the train, state news agency Telam reported.

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delft

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Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar comments in his blog ( February 22, 2012 ) on the political complexities with regard to the shooting incident in which an Indian fisherman was killed by Italian marines, and it is more complex than I can read up on:
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Church and the state in Kerala
The Church has waded into the snowballing diplomatic (and political) row between India and Italy over the killing of the two fishermen and the subsequent arrest and detention of two Italian Marines. The Catholic news agency Fides in Rome has quoted the Kochi-based Cardinal Mar George Alencherry as revealing that he has “urged” the Congress-led Kerala government headed by chief minister Oommen Chandy “not to act precipitately”.

To my mind, the revered Cardinal’s prompt intervention was timely. (See my earlier post.) But it raises some serious issues, too. Conceivably, the Cardinal could not have voiced a personal opinion so publicly to Fides. Fides is also the organ of the Vatican. The heart of the matter is that Alencherry made the remark while in Rome.
Actually, only four days back Alencherry was consecrated as a Cardinal by Pope Benedict XVI at the St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican. If the Vatican has in any way been associated with the Cardinal’s sensational remarks, the diplomatic row between India and Italy assumes another controversial dimension. The western public opinion comes into the picture. In such situations, western opinion usually consolidates. The Cold War history is replete with instances of the West pitting the Vatican against the Kremlin.
But the secular Indian public opinion is sure to firmly reject the Vatican’s locus standii in the matter. However, far more important, in Kerala itself, the bombshell by Alencherry is going to play out differently — and, perhaps, explosively. For one thing, the Church in Kerala is not a monolithic institution. From the animated web ‘chat’, it appears that the Cardinal’s intervention has provoked animosity even among people with distinctly Christian names.
The fishing communities in the coastal regions of Kerala who are particularly agitated about the current issue of the Italian Marines’ resort to summary killing, do not subscribe to the Syro-Malabar Church. In sociological terms, the latter consider themselves to be the ‘aristocrats’ of Kerala’s Christian society with an extremely eclectic culture (which could be the envy of any religion). They are a prosperous community led by ’status quoists’ and conservatives, unsurprisingly.
On the contrary, the teeming christian communities of the ‘working class’ milieu in the coastal belt of Kerala are militant and restive, imbued with shades of “liberation theology”. (The Communist Party of India (Marxist) during its recent party congress in Thiruvananthapuram hailed on its red banners Jesus Christ as a liberator.)
Last year in May, Alencherry was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI as the head of the entire Eastern Catholic Syro-Malabar Church and according to the Syro-Malabar tradition, he claims the title of “Patriarch of Mar Thoma Nasranis and the Gate of All India”. It added to Alencherry’s influential role in Kerala’s society and politics.
But the issue is how far his halo appeals to the teeming fishing villages of Kerala and Alencherry would probably infuriate them today. The paradox is that while the Mar Thoma Church in Kerala holds hardly any sway among the Christian communities of Kerala’s coastal belt, it is an immensely powerful voice in Kerala politics today. And Chandy’s government came into being thanks to the huge support from the Church of Kerala.
Alencherry may have spoken with an eye more on the forthcoming Piravom state assembly by-election on March 18 (on which the fortunes of Chandy’s government hangs by a thin thread) rather than the future of India-Italy strategic partnership in the multipolar world or the death of a poor fisherman at the hands of the Italian Marines, who all three happened to be christians.
Of course, Chandy’s government will be greatly embarassed by Alencherry’s remarks. Chandy himself takes pride in being a staunchly secular-minded political leader and he is indeed a charismatic figure in Kerala politics today, Alencherry has done a disservice by exposing Chandy to an unsavoury impression that he is a mere helpless captive of the Christian religious establishment and communal politics.
Chandy has become inexplicably silent on the issue itself and has let the Italian affair be a matter of ‘due process of law’, which would lend credence to the feeling that Alencherry’s magic worked, after all. Simply put, Chandy doesn’t look good in this quagmire. The night of the long knives may be beginning within the faction-ridden Congress unit in Kerala.
All this raises some serious issues about Kerala politics today. The heart of the matter is that despite a high literacy level, the average Malayali is highly susceptible to caste and communal politics. To my mind, this and this alone — Congress party’s vulnerability to communal politics in the Piravom bypoll — has tied the hands of South Block in Delhi from handling the present issue optimally at the diplomatic level with a view to find a rational, mutually acceptable and swift solution to this curious Indo-Italian fracas instead of letting it degenerate into the stuff of the bazaar of Congress politics. External Affairs Minister S.M.Krishna should be given a free hand to talk with his Italian counterpart Guilio Terzi who is expected in Delhi next Tuesday.
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delft

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b.d.popeye wrote:
Not going to happen right now. I think some of those folks are looking for any excuse to hate.
It is quite natural for people to hate the forces occupying their country, attacking wedding celebrations, going about murdering people at night. Even President Karzai complained about the last two matters.
 

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Nato pulls out of Afghan ministries after Kabul attack

Nato has withdrawn all its personnel from Afghan ministries after two senior officers were shot dead in the interior ministry building in Kabul.

Nato said an "individual" had turned his gun on the officers, believed to be an American colonel and major, and had not yet been identified or caught.

Nato commander Gen John Allen condemned the attack as "cowardly".

The shootings come amid five days of deadly protests over the burning of copies of the Koran by US soldiers.

Taliban statement
The interior ministry was put in lock-down after the shootings, officials said.

The BBC's Orla Guerin in Kabul says eight shots were reported inside the building, which should be one of the safest in the capital, and that any Afghan who carried out the attack would have had the highest clearance.

Local media reports said the gunman was an Afghan policeman but this has not been confirmed.
The reports suggest the incident followed a "verbal clash".

Gen Allen said he condemned the attack, adding: "We will pursue all leads to find the person responsible. The perpetrator of this attack is a coward whose actions will not go unanswered."

He said: "For obvious force protection reasons, I have also taken immediate measures to recall all other Isaf personnel working in ministries in and around Kabul."

But Gen Allen added: "We are committed to our partnership with the government of Afghanistan to reach our common goal of a peaceful, stable and secure Afghanistan in the near future."

The UK Foreign Office confirmed it had "withdrawn civilian mentors and advisers from institutions in the city as a temporary measure".
Isaf spokesman Brig Gen Carsten Jacobson said that Nato could not yet reveal the identity of those killed.

He also said: "We cannot confirm where the killer came from, what his nationality was, whether he was in uniform or not, all these questions are not known."
Early reports suggest the two officers were shot in the ministry's command and control centre.

The BBC's Bilal Sarwary in Kabul says this is where representatives of 34 provinces meet to plan security.

He quotes sources as saying that Interior Minister Bismullah Khan was having a meeting with senior Western officials elsewhere in the building when the shooting took place.

The Taliban said in a website statement that it carried out the attack in response to the Koran burnings.

But Gen Jacobson would not be drawn on any link to the protests.

He said: "We have seen an emotional week, we have seen a busy week - but it would be too early to say this incident was linked."

He added: "It is very regretful to see the loss of life again on this day, and that includes the loss of life that we have seen around demonstrations."

Obama apology

Angry protests over the burning of the Korans continued on Saturday, with a UN compound in the city of Kunduz set alight.
Four people were killed and dozens injured in clashes in the city, according to local doctors. Three more people were killed in the southern province of Logar.

The governor's house in Laghman province also came under attack on Saturday and there were demonstrations in Paktia, Nangarhar and Sari Pul provinces.

Nearly 30 people have died since the protests began on Tuesday.

US personnel apparently inadvertently put the books into a rubbish incinerator at Bagram air base, near Kabul.

US President Barack Obama has apologised for the Koran-burning incident.

In a letter to his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai, Mr Obama said the books had been "unintentionally mishandled".

Muslims consider the Koran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence.

The decision to pull the NATO representatives out of the ministries in Kabul seems to me to announce that NATO's position in Afghanistan is untenable and that the end will come before 2014.
Btw in what sense is the assassin more cowardly than soldiers who attack and murder people at night in their houses? That is how many Afghans are likely to see it.
 

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The decision to pull the NATO representatives out of the ministries in Kabul seems to me to announce that NATO's position in Afghanistan is untenable and that the end will come before 2014.
Btw in what sense is the assassin more cowardly than soldiers who attack and murder people at night in their houses? That is how many Afghans are likely to see it.

Yes, it always annoys me when American officers and soldiers use words like 'cowardly' to describe every attack launched against them by people armed with RPGs and AKs while they are riding around in IFVs and attack helos and who has seemed to shifted their tactics to primarily using drone attacks and middle of the night commando raids on insurgent homes in order to deal telling damage to the insurgency.

Reminds me of how the British condemned American tactics of taking cover instead of standing in line, and deliberately sniping British officers during the America war of independence as 'cowardly' and 'war crimes'.

How quickly we forget that when faced with an enemy with overwhelming military superiority, you adapt and try and strike at them any which way you can. Any attempt to fight a far superior enemy on their terms and according to their rules is stupid and suicidal.

If American soldiers remembered and understood that, maybe there would be fewer cases of abuse of prisoners or massacres of civilians or desecration of holy books as a result of too much pent up 'righteous indignation' that the insurgents would not 'honorably' form battle formations in the middle of the desert to be promptly annihilated by American firepower before they get to even see their killers.
 
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