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delft

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joshuatree said:
At this point, there's no backing out unless you really want to demoralize the Kurds and Iraqi forces, enabling ISIS to continue to grow. Airpower has proven to be an effective force multiplier for the Kurds and Iraqi forces. Perhaps help the Kurds start developing their own organic air force and then eventually back out? But the question is, does the US trust the Kurds? And so far, does ISIS field anything dangerous to air power? If not, would supplying Kurds with simpler jet fighters suffice? Non-US fighters to avoid falling into the wrong hands?
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If you are providing the Kurds with an air force you will be ending the existence of Iraq. US and Israel have long been accused of wanting to do just that in order to have in Kurdistan a base for espionage against the countries around. This will likely be a move to further destabilise the area. Is US prepared for further blow backs?
 
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delft said:
If you are providing the Kurds with an air force you will be ending the existence of Iraq. US and Israel have long been accused of wanting to do just that in order to have in Kurdistan a base for espionage against the countries around. This will likely be a move to further destabilise the area. Is US prepared for further blow backs?
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Problem is, Iraqi govt and forces have proven to be unreliable and much of the fancier ISIS arms were captured from the Iraqi forces.
 
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Miragedriver said:
Libyan Mig-21 Crashed in Tobruk - Video

[video=youtube;0Q-ibnxIoNU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Q-ibnxIoNU[/video]



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
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Any explanation for the crash? It looks like the Mig-21 stalled while trying to make a sharp turn.
 
Miragedriver

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Quickie said:
Any explanation for the crash? It looks like the Mig-21 stalled while trying to make a sharp turn.
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I was going to suggest that he just got his mig-21 license. However that would be in bad taste.
There was no explanation as to the crash that I could find other than "technical problems". I do agree with your theory.


Daily Telegraph - Three people were killed and nine injured when a Libyan war plane crashed on Tuesday in a residential part of the eastern city of Tobruk.


The plane went down around half a mile from the seat of the country's elected parliament.


Footage appeared on YouTube today appearing to show the crash, filmed from a rooftop. The authenticity of this video has not been verified.


According to the Libya Herald, the crash happened during a military event to honour the pilot of another war plane that had crashed last week, residents said.


Both crashes are believed to be the result of technical failures
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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joshuatree said:
Problem is, Iraqi govt and forces have proven to be unreliable and much of the fancier ISIS arms were captured from the Iraqi forces.
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The Pesh Merga wasn't any better than the Iraqi army and the Kurdish government isn't any less corrupt than the Iraqi government. But I can imagine [ NOTE not guarantee ] that a new Iraqi army will be built on the basis of the Iraqi militias and with Iranian help that will be able to destroy IS. War is the proper time to do something about corruption. Iran has experience with the Iraqi militias and with using its own in war as in 1980-'88. If after that war there is trouble with a Kurdish autonomous area with an air force of its own .....
 
Equation

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joshuatree said:
At this point, there's no backing out unless you really want to demoralize the Kurds and Iraqi forces, enabling ISIS to continue to grow. Airpower has proven to be an effective force multiplier for the Kurds and Iraqi forces. Perhaps help the Kurds start developing their own organic air force and then eventually back out? But the question is, does the US trust the Kurds? And so far, does ISIS field anything dangerous to air power? If not, would supplying Kurds with simpler jet fighters suffice? Non-US fighters to avoid falling into the wrong hands?
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Well to be fair the US has to play with the cards that are dealt with right now. I don't think arming the Kurds with military aircraft is viable at this time since US air strikes are effective enough. Right now the most important element to deal with ISIS are boots on the ground period. That, the US and UN can help the Kurds by providing training and weapons that's ONLY enough to defeat ISIS. Right now ISIS don't have an air force or navy to worry about, therefore everything else seems to be just light armor and small arms battles in pretty big numbers.
 
AssassinsMace

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What happened to Iraq's air force? If they do have one, then it probably says something on how successful with the Kurds having air power.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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The Iraqi Air force has been shoe stringed it was the last and most expensive of the Military to be rebuilt the first and second Iraq Wars destroyed the previous Air forces. Even with the recent aircraft deliveries form Russia, the pilots and crews have to be ready and able to operate them.
 
SteelBird

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AssassinsMace said:
What happened to Iraq's air force? If they do have one, then it probably says something on how successful with the Kurds having air power.
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I've heard long ago that Iraqi air-force has received the initial batch of five Russian Su-25. However, we have heard nothing about these aircraft being taken into action. Why?
 
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