Where's Waldo: Xijinping Edition

jackliu

Banned Idiot
He's back in the public view, after an absence of a fortnight. I don't understand the secrecy of all of this. I doubt he's done anything shameful like been involved in a sexual orgy or crashed a Ferrari whilst making out with a number of girls. The suggestion is that he had a health issue. If the Chinese authorities can't admit to something like "Xi hurt his back/had a mild heart attack and per doctor's instructions won't be attending any public functions for x period of time", what does that do for confidence in the Chinese government to tell the truth in really difficult circumstances?

And the lack of a detailed explanation just allowed the Chinese rumour mill to go into overdrive. For example, if he had just hurt his back, why not release a picture or two of him being visited in hospital? It would show his human side for one thing. The only reason most people could think of why you wouldn't do that would be if he was critically ill. Unless the CCP is so anally-retentive it can't stand the idea of its top leaders being seen to be vulnerable! If the CCP doesn't like rumours about it, the need to release more information and get a reputation for telling the truth, rather than being secretive.

Oh WOW, just how brainwashed are you?? So the Chinese government are OBLIGATED, and NEED to answer to every speculation, every rumor and every demand from the Western media? And if they don't, that must mean that somehow the government is bad huh??

Why not look at your own damn media, why are they spreading rumors and speculations without any basis in the first place? What if one day I put out a bad rumor about you cheating on your wife, and both of you and your wife know this is pure bullshit, because you two have a good relationship and are talking with each other, therefore you ignore my rumor, does that make your wrong or make me wrong? It seems in this case by your logic, the person that started the rumor is in the right. And the person's reputation is being continuous trashed is in the wrong here.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Would Romney admit to a health problem if he could get away with not telling anyone?

It's hard to think of a health problem that Romney or Obama could come down with that would lead either of them to literally disappear from the public sphere for even one week, let alone two. At the first opportunity they would want to be back on TV, smiling and giving the thumbs up, even if it was from a bedroom/hospital window.

That is all assuming that Xi had some health scare to start with, which in itself is nothing but unsubstantiated wild guesses

If the Chinese president-in-waiting disappears without credible explanation for a fortnight, it's a serious matter. It makes no sense for the CCP to starve the world of information in a case like this. Perhaps it wasn't a health issue, but I'm not sure what that leaves - some sort of political crisis at the heart of the CCP that required Xi to be in constant talks for so long?

And you're accusing the foreign media of stirring up trouble, but actually it was the Chinese social media network that did most of the speculating.

The Chinese gave the reason for Xi missing his appointments was because of a minor back injury sustained during his daily swim.

And that requires him to go missing for two weeks? Really? As I point out above, if Romney or Obama were even slightly hurt they'd do all they could to show it was nothing to worry about and they were fighting fit. Either Xi is a delicate little flower with poor health, who needs pampering whenever he skins his knee, or there's more to it that a simple back problem.

On the one hand the CCP whines when anyone speculates about Chinese politics, and on the other they can't be bothered to do the simplest of things to nip rumours in the bud. It's bizarre to say the least.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
And the lack of a detailed explanation just allowed the Chinese rumour mill to go into overdrive. For example, if he had just hurt his back, why not release a picture or two of him being visited in hospital? It would show his human side for one thing. The only reason most people could think of why you wouldn't do that would be if he was critically ill. Unless the CCP is so anally-retentive it can't stand the idea of its top leaders being seen to be vulnerable! If the CCP doesn't like rumours about it, the need to release more information and get a reputation for telling the truth, rather than being secretive.

ROFL... if they did that you'd be here criticizing them of doing propaganda photo ops.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
It's hard to think of a health problem that Romney or Obama could come down with that would lead either of them to literally disappear from the public sphere for even one week, let alone two. At the first opportunity they would want to be back on TV, smiling and giving the thumbs up, even if it was from a bedroom/hospital window.

Well it just shows you don't understand what Chinese leaders are to think they would behave like American politicians. American politicians need to be elected, and that dominates their choices and behavior. Chinese leaders do not, and their actions are correspondingly different.

Chinese leaders are more like high level White Hall bureaucrats. They tend not to understand, or care to understand all the PR intricacies and tricks about campaigning and the like.

If the Chinese president-in-waiting disappears without credible explanation for a fortnight, it's a serious matter. It makes no sense for the CCP to starve the world of information in a case like this. Perhaps it wasn't a health issue, but I'm not sure what that leaves - some sort of political crisis at the heart of the CCP that required Xi to be in constant talks for so long?

The fact of the matter is Xi did no 'disappear', he made if known that he suffered a back injury and cancelled some meetings to recover, and not that he is better, he is back. End of story. If you want to see conspiracy theories everywhere and refuse to believe what officials are telling you, no amount of proof or information will dissuade you as you will just dismiss it all as a cover story or fabricated.

And you're accusing the foreign media of stirring up trouble, but actually it was the Chinese social media network that did most of the speculating.

Do you have any idea how much ideal chatter and conspiracy theories there are floating about all the time on social networking sites all over the world? The rumors and stories would have died down of their own accord had the western media not reported on it, and by reporting on it, the report then went on to generate more wild rumors and it all became a self-sustaining feedback loop of BS.

This is not the first time the western media have cherry picked random baseless rumors off of Chinese BBS, remember all the 'Coup' reports when Boxilai was first falling from grace? Or about the supposed massive support for a Jasmine Revolution?

What the western media cherry picks off of Chinese BBS to report on is far more indicative of their own agendas and prejudices than the mood of the Chinese people or what is happening in China. It's what they hope will happen in China, but it seems their fantasies are all too often far removed from reality. If you want to believe everything they are peddling, be my guest, just expect to be disappointed a lot.
 
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