What the Heck?! Thread (Closed)

[TerraN_EmpirE]

This gun or concept of it has a history of total failure aka known as other prototype OICW, not worth at all, overcomplex, overengineered and costs more than soldier earns in a year.

not Quite the OICW was canned I will grant you, but it was not as huge a blunder as you would like to make it.
It aimed to create a semiautomatic over barrel grenade launcher mated to a selective fire carbine with a advanced computer. The Issue that killed it was not if it could be built, It was infact practical to construct and function. The issue was weight. it came in at just under 19 pounds the objective was 14 pounds. additionally in testing the 20mm rounds offered less bang for the Bucks So the Requirements changed to a 25mm and the weight of the Grenade launcher was going to jump up.
The Carbine was as light as possible though and Even if they had moved to a PDW like the MP7A1 as a base it would still have tipped the scales at almost 17 pounds.
so the US broke the program up and the M25 CDTE developed from the grenade launcher actually has been fielded.
Farther more The South Korean K11 based on a similar concept but with a bolt action grenade launcher has some 4,000 units in service with South Korea. The Streight pull bolt action being light enough that it is just over 13 pounds, And the PLA is testing the same concept in there ZH-05

The Canadian system however is not based on the OICW.
It's actually a 5.56mm Cased Telescoped Bullpup mated to a over barrel module that could be a 3 shot 40mm Grenade launcher ( in this case ) or a 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun. The optic is also a simple Elcan C79A2 3.4x28mm magnified optic the standard issue for all Canadian military long arms.

 

[Miragedriver]

That has to hurt…..

Benjamin Miller, 20, from Georgia, in the US, is gored by a bull during the 'Carnaval del Toro' in Ciudad Rodrigo, Spain. He is now recovering in hospital in western Salamanca.
Picture: AP Photo/Jose Vicente


Back to bottling my Grenache

 

[Equation]

That has to hurt…..

Benjamin Miller, 20, from Georgia, in the US, is gored by a bull during the 'Carnaval del Toro' in Ciudad Rodrigo, Spain. He is now recovering in hospital in western Salamanca.
Picture: AP Photo/Jose Vicente


Back to bottling my Grenache

Here in Texas they say.."if you mess with the bull..you get the horns." Luckily that kid was gorge (although badly) instead of getting kill.

 

[Miragedriver]

Here in Texas they say.."if you mess with the bull..you get the horns." Luckily that kid was gorge (although badly) instead of getting kill.

My stomach gets butterfly just looking at that picture. I can imagine what he was thinking “this is going to hurt”

 

[Equation]

My stomach gets butterfly just looking at that picture. I can imagine what he was thinking “this is going to hurt”

I know what you mean my friend. That kid was unlucky when that bull stepped on the sleeve of his pants that made him trip over and fall. As a result the bull momentum planted his horns onto him. I watched the video and it all came down in a second.

 

[Jeff Head]

I was raised on a ranch and spent a number of anxious moments in fields with angry bulls. The Brahma bulls were the worst I ever had to deal with in terms of them being angry and dangerous.

These people who "run with the bulls," or play games with and try to be macho around bulls are...

1) drunk, or
2) ignorant.

Bulls are very territorial and dangerous animals and they can easily kill you...and they can do so in a very ugly, messy fashion if they get enraged.

 

[Black Shark]

I really can not feel sorry for anyone who dies in the streets from such bull races. This is an inhumane tradition that should be forbidden, just cruelty to animals without any basic meaning for the culture, people or region itself.

 

[broadsword]

This is an inhumane tradition that should be forbidden, just cruelty to animals without any basic meaning for the culture, people or region itself.

Fighting between animals as sport or entertainment is also cruelty. Staging such events in the name of tradition should be discouraged without insensitively disparaging those peoples' way of life.

 

[Jeff Head]

I really can not feel sorry for anyone who dies in the streets from such bull races. This is an inhumane tradition that should be forbidden.

I feel sorry for anyone who is injured or dies as a result of this

They are human. They have families, friends, loved ones...just like you do.

I cannot equate a lost human life, even if they are being stupid or ignorant, with running some bulls down the street, or even cinching them up in bull rides or fights.

Yes, it is painful to the bull...but a bull is not a human and there is no moral equivalence.

As I said...its is foolish and probably the result of someone being drunk or ignorant as to what might happen. But saying that we should not feel sorry for someone like this and their families, friends and loved ones, is IMHO, itself very insensitive. To sit in judgment of them and say what they are doing should be "forbidden," is also, IMHO, a gross overreaction to this.

Should rodeos be forbidden then? Should horse racing be forbidden? Should dog shows?

All of these result from humans being masters of animals and using them as they please. All of them cause some form of inconvenience and hardship to the animals.

So does eating animals.

Now, if they were committing obvious sadistic torture merely for the sake of seeing the blood and pain...that would be different.

Or, if they were taking human slaves, or people whom they differed with on religion or some other grounds and forcing them to stand in the street to be gored by such animals...that too would be different.

I believe people like this can make their own decision to be a part of a traditional activity. I just think they must either be drunk, ignorant, or extremely foolish to risk themselves in this manner...but they are also adults with the choice to do so.

 

[no_name]

The thing is it is probably being part of the mob that makes people do dumb things. I doubt very many people would be taunting the bull if it was just them and the animal alone with no one else around.

When you are in a mob, everyone else is a potential or de facto accomplice, so responsibility and guilt becomes diluted, but excitement increases because every member of the mob is also an audience.

Then there is the probability mind game that "It can't be that I'm the unfortunate one to get it".