Blackstone
Brigadier
Margaret Thatcher said it best: "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
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solarz
Brigadier
The point of universal health care is not to "get the best", but to get the best healthcare possible for everyone, regardless of age, creed, or wealth. Yes, that means sacrifices in certain areas.
A dual track health care system would undermine that very goal, as it would inevitably create a two-tiered system where only the wealthy can get the best medical treatment.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
The best possible may not be good enough. The problem with having an averaging effect on health care is that when those people can't wait or need specialised surgery, the system breaks down. It is great for the average Joe, but doesn't work well for special cases.
The whole point of the dual track system is so that the 95% of the problems can be solved by the public system. But for special cases, people can just the queue by paying money or get specialised service from private providers. I'm not talking a brand new private hospital in each major city. I mean specialised clinics that focus on just one special area where public health generally fails.
solarz
Brigadier
The supply of specialist doctors is still limited. In order to provide a top-end private medical service, you would have to lure top doctors away from the public system and work for you. This results in the degradation of the public system.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Like the big corporate socialism bankers that has to use tax payers money in the trillions of dollars to bail them out back in 2008, all because of their screw ups.
It is also extremely foolish to think that any system that adds middlemen, such as the insurance industry, with a vested interest in profiting off of not providing services would be better than a system without such middlemen.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
I agree in part BUT there are methods in bypassing the problems . For example Japan is a semi dual track system in which the patient can select on the method of treatment which the government authorizes or some alternative test clinic treatment on his own. They can also upgrade the room if they want on their own.
Basically it's how definitive the government draws the line on what is authorized and covered within the universal policy and what is not. To my knowledge MRI and CT scans are authorized so a person doing an annual check up can take these test without jumping through hoops waiting a week and paying a bucket load to boot.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Yes, you are correct. It's just like fanny mae, freddy mac, and other giant financial institutions that caused the financial crisis and then were bailed out by US taxpayers. The so-called "too big to fail" is the Federal government helping mega financial corporations to socialize risks, while privatizing profits. It all but guarantee taxpayer handouts in future crisis, and does nothing to dissuade excessively risky behaviors. Washington DC has become a nest of corrupt rent-seeking plutocrats.
I work for the local school system, I'm in a union??? who don't do much for us, I'm a school bus driver/substitute teacher. The bus is 30 hours a week, 4 routes per day. I am very thankful for my insurance, the problem is greedy lawyers and patients, layers and layers of regulation, reporting and govt control, in order to control Drs, Nurses, Hospitals, Pharmacies. Not just to insure safe and excellent care, but in order to TAX, Obamacare is the largest tax increase in the history of the United States, and it does NOT work, we are only now beginning to see truly Govt managed care.
I am thankful my health insurance paid 165,000 or so for my triple by-pass in 09, real thankful, and yes it was a group plan, provided by the Hospice, they paid about 1/2 the premium, I paid the other half. The local Catholic Hospital wrote off the deductibles under a program called "Christian Care", so they settled for what the insurance paid. The air ambulance bill was 15,000 or so for a 40 minute flight to Springfield, in an OLD JetRanger,,, I had a little morphine and Ativan, but I do remember the take-off, and the change in rotor pitch as we began our decent, and I also was awake for the landing. I don't remember much else that day, I had a heart cath that day, and surgery the next morning, I had excellent care, and the DON for the Hospital responded when my wife had concerns, and yes it hurt like HELL!!
As a result of excessive corporate influence over government.
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