What the Heck?! Thread (Closed)

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Well I know that the .50BMG can be used accuracy past 2000 meters.
Nicholas Ranstal M82A1 USArmy 2090 meters
Bryan Kremer M82A1 US Army Rangers 2300 meters
Arron Perry and Rob Furlong both held the longest kill record, both Canada Princess Patricia regiment 3rd regiment, both McMillan Tac 50, 2310 for Perry 2430 for Furlong.

 

[Blackstone]

Not sure why CCP elites think it's a good idea to prevent relatives of agitators from leaving the country. It seems like a better choice to tell rabble-rousers and their families not to let the door hit their asses on the way out. I say that because whatever voices they add in the West is miniscule, and once their 15 minutes of fame are up, they'll just be another interest group among millions, competing for airtime in a land where the public's attention span is very short.

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HONG KONG — The 16-year-old son of a detained Chinese human rights lawyer is now living under house arrest in northern China after being snatched at a Myanmar border town last week as he was trying to escape to the United States, a family friend said.

Bao Zhuoxuan, the son of the prominent human rights lawyer Wang Yu, is now at his grandparents’ home in the Inner Mongolia region, said the friend, Liang Bo, who was planning to host Mr. Bao in the San Francisco area. Ms. Wang was detained in July during a nationwide crackdown in which more than 220 people were summoned for questioning. She remains in custody. Chinese officials have accused Ms. Wang of “inciting subversion of state power.”

Mr. Bao was taken by uniformed men this month from a guesthouse in Mong La, a town in Myanmar near the Chinese border, according to Fengsuo Zhou, a United States citizen and human rights activist who had traveled to Bangkok to meet Mr. Bao and help arrange his travel papers to America.

Mr. Bao is now in Ulanhot, a city in Inner Mongolia, where he is under surveillance by the police and his movements are restricted, Ms. Liang said in a telephone interview. Mr. Bao’s grandparents could not be reached at two mobile phone numbers belonging to them. A woman surnamed Huang at the office of politics of the Ulanhot Police Bureau said that the bureau had no such case involving a 16-year-old boy named Bao Zhuoxuan.

Mr. Bao’s mother, Ms. Wang, is one of the most prominent human rights lawyers in China. She defended Ilham Tohti, an economics professor whom the Chinese government had accused of inciting separatism in his native Xinjiang and sentenced last year to life in prison. Her detention is part of a widespread crackdown under President Xi Jinping of human rights activists and the lawyers who represent them. In many cases, as with Mr. Bao, their families become pawns as the police try to pressure the detainees, Mr. Zhou said.

“That is the signature of Xi’s recent crackdown on human rights activists,” Mr. Zhou said in a telephone interview, referring to that approach. “They want to crack open their defense basically, and they want to crush their will.”
Mr. Bao’s case has received international attention, and last week, a report by the United States Congressional-Executive Commission on China recommended that lawmakers and administration officials bring up the case with the Chinese government.

Mr. Bao was detained at Beijing’s international airport in July when he and his father were trying to leave the country for Australia, where he had been accepted into a school. His passport was revoked, and he was sent to live with his grandparents, according to the commission’s report. His father was taken into custody.

Mr. Zhou as well as other activists and family friends decided that it was worth the risk for Mr. Bao to try to cross the border into Myanmar in an area where passports were not required and make his way to the Thai capital. There, Mr. Zhou would walk Mr. Bao through the steps required to gain legal entry into the United States.

“We knew it was such a risky move. We tried our best to help him. We tried to help Zhuoxuan to get freedom,” Mr. Zhou said. “It’s a battleground.”

 

[plawolf]

Well I know that the .50BMG can be used accuracy past 2000 meters.
Nicholas Ranstal M82A1 USArmy 2090 meters
Bryan Kremer M82A1 US Army Rangers 2300 meters
Arron Perry and Rob Furlong both held the longest kill record, both Canada Princess Patricia regiment 3rd regiment, both McMillan Tac 50, 2310 for Perry 2430 for Furlong.

Were all of those first shot kills, or did those snipers have a few "ranging" shots as well?

 

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...The dispute over relocating Futenma symbolizes centuries-old tensions between Okinawa and the Japanese mainland, which annexed the islands, formerly the independent kingdom of the Ryukyus, in 1879. In the final days of World War II, Okinawa became Japan's only home battleground, and the island remained under U.S. rule for 20 years longer than Japan's 1952 emergence from the American occupation.

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Uh oh..

Insurgents fired two shells at the Russian embassy in the Syrian capital on Tuesday as hundreds of pro-government supporters gathered outside the compound to thank Moscow for its military intervention.
An Associated Press reporter was outside the embassy when the first shell slammed into the compound in central Damascus and smoke billowed from inside. As people started running away, another shell hit the area. No one was harmed in the shelling.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov condemned the attack, saying "this is obviously a terrorist act intended to, probably, frighten supporters of the war against terror."

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[TerraN_EmpirE]

Were all of those first shot kills, or did those snipers have a few "ranging" shots as well?

At those ranges even the more accurate rounds demand adjustments. As you your self pointed out. And even with more conventional rounds it would still need ranging and adjustment at those ranges.
Until technologies like the XACTO come online and advanced sniper fire control systems making shots past a mile or even two is not a mundane thing here wolf. No ordinary person is going to pull it off. It takes skill, training, tools, support and a good deal of chance. Sure if you absolutely need to be sure of the event call in artillery or better yet a airstrike. However keep in mind the cost of that and that artillery also has to range. And consider that in some situations using a howitzer is just not a option.
The Kyle shot case in point the spotter used by the insurgents was on the balcony of a hospital.
Just take a look at the news paper today and we see the outcome of what would have happened if Kyle had not been the reaction but an airstrike or artillery barrage.
You have made the point if armored personal what about armored shelters. Pill boxes designed to resist bombardment.

Now In the end this French shot was about bragging rights. There was no kill attached. Yet the means and methods are sound. And would be effective regardless of human or machine as the target. The term Ant material Rifle is meant mostly to classify its intended mission aim, but antipersonnel is well in its scope.
Oh and fun points Gunny Carlos Hitchcock the legendary Marine scout sniper of the USMC, once used a M2 Browning Heavy Machine gun for one of his longest shots.

 

[Blackstone]

I don't expect much good to come of it, but it might be better to talk than not.

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TOKYO (Reuters) - Senior officials of Japan and China agreed on Tuesday to pursue high-level dialogue to mend frayed relations, a Japanese government official said.

Sino-Japanese ties, long plagued by conflicting claims to an East China Sea group of islands and by the legacy of Japan's World War Two aggression against China, have thawed somewhat since Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in November 2014.

But China's successful bid last week to include documents related to the 1937 Nanjing Massacre in a program by the U.N. cultural and heritage agency UNESCO has become a new irritant.

Yang Jiechi, China's top diplomat, and Shotaro Yachi, the head of the secretariat of Japan's National Security Council, agreed in Tokyo to press ahead with bilateral dialogue including one between top leaders, the Japanese official said.

"There still exist some issues between the two countries like the East China Sea situation. But I would like us to exchange views candidly today to advance bilateral relations further," Yachi told Yang before doors were closed to reporters.

Issues discussed include overall ties between Asia's two biggest economies, their security policies and a continuing effort to set up a emergency communication mechanism between their militaries, the official said. He declined to elaborate.

Yachi, also a national security adviser to Abe, reiterated in the Tokyo meeting Japan's stance regarding China's move to have documents touching on the Nanjing Massacre registered in UNESCO's "Memory of the World" program, the official said.

China says invading Japanese troops killed 300,000 people in the massacre. A post-war Allied tribunal put the death toll at about half that number."

Japan's top government spokesman said earlier on Tuesday that Tokyo might halt funding for UNESCO over the U.N. heritage body's decision to include the documents. This drew a sharp retort from China, which called the threat "shocking and unacceptable".

State Councillor Yang, who outranks the Chinese foreign minister, is set to meet with Abe on Wednesday.

 

[no_name]

At those ranges even the more accurate rounds demand adjustments. As you your self pointed out. And even with more conventional rounds it would still need ranging and adjustment at those ranges.
Until technologies like the XACTO come online and advanced sniper fire control systems making shots past a mile or even two is not a mundane thing here wolf. No ordinary person is going to pull it off. It takes skill, training, tools, support and a good deal of chance. Sure if you absolutely need to be sure of the event call in artillery or better yet a airstrike. However keep in mind the cost of that and that artillery also has to range. And consider that in some situations using a howitzer is just not a option.
The Kyle shot case in point the spotter used by the insurgents was on the balcony of a hospital.
Just take a look at the news paper today and we see the outcome of what would have happened if Kyle had not been the reaction but an airstrike or artillery barrage.
You have made the point if armored personal what about armored shelters. Pill boxes designed to resist bombardment.

Now In the end this French shot was about bragging rights. There was no kill attached. Yet the means and methods are sound. And would be effective regardless of human or machine as the target. The term Ant material Rifle is meant mostly to classify its intended mission aim, but antipersonnel is well in its scope.
Oh and fun points Gunny Carlos Hitchcock the legendary Marine scout sniper of the USMC, once used a M2 Browning Heavy Machine gun for one of his longest shots.

Maybe this could change things. Though maneuvering would likely bleed energy so the max effective range could be greatly reduced.

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[TerraN_EmpirE]

That is XACTO, and its mission. To create a round that course corrects at extended ranges to ensure first hit first shot.

 

[plawolf]

At those ranges even the more accurate rounds demand adjustments. As you your self pointed out. And even with more conventional rounds it would still need ranging and adjustment at those ranges.
Until technologies like the XACTO come online and advanced sniper fire control systems making shots past a mile or even two is not a mundane thing here wolf. No ordinary person is going to pull it off. It takes skill, training, tools, support and a good deal of chance.

I do some shooting myself, so I have some idea of how hard such shots are to pull off, and how much of it is down to chance and luck no matter how good you are. Which is precisely why I am dubious about the real life value of such party trick shots.

Elite snipers making impossible shots and/or terrorising entire companies of enemy troops might be the stuff of Hollywood wet dreams and computer games, but in real life, against a near-peer foe who has well trained and well equipped soldiers and snipers of their own, the value of snipers are going to be massively reduced.

Sure if you absolutely need to be sure of the event call in artillery or better yet a airstrike. However keep in mind the cost of that and that artillery also has to range. And consider that in some situations using a howitzer is just not a option.
The Kyle shot case in point the spotter used by the insurgents was on the balcony of a hospital.
Just take a look at the news paper today and we see the outcome of what would have happened if Kyle had not been the reaction but an airstrike or artillery barrage.

I never said snipers would be useless, and there will be a few instances where they will be useful, such as your example showed. But they are the exception, rather than the rule, especially if there are enemy snipers.

As soon as you face competent enemy snipers, your own snipers have to play a very different game.

Rather than find the best vantage point possible and shot all day from that perfect spot, they are going to have to instead look for less obvious nests, which invariably will mean they won't have as commanding a field of view, and should also change locations after every few shots (after every shot if there are good enemy snipers operating in the area).

In that respect, snipers are very important, but mainly as a means of countering, or at a minimum, massively reducing the effectiveness of enemy snipers.

You have made the point if armored personal what about armored shelters. Pill boxes designed to resist bombardment.

Anything able to withstand artillery and/or air strikes would also be proof against a sniper bullet, even 20mm ones.

I do not downplay or discount the value and capabilities of good, world class snipers. But I am also aware of their limitations.

Snipers are more of a asymmetrical weapon, able to effectively hound and harass a superior enemy force with a minimal commitment of men and resources on your part. But they are not that great at the kinds of fast paced fluid environment of a full fledged armoured clash.

I would place heavy emphasis on snipers for elite forces like scout recon, paratroopers, aircav, special forces and the like, but for frontline troops, especially mechanised infantry, designated marksmen with semi-autos are far more effective and cost effective in terms of allocation of training and resources.

Come up against enemy snipers? Ask your attached tanker buddies to send a shell his way, or hop in your APC/IFV and blast him with your 20/30mm or drive up until your designated marksmen have range.