What kind of music do you like?

rommel

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MIGleader said:
excuse me? Rap is AWSOME!!! many epople who have only listened to rap once or twice think rap as plain rhyming. but its really evloved music.

first off, your lyrics must rhyme well and at the same time be flavorful. in the 90's, rap had alot of meaning to it too, primarily songs made by the late Tupac Shakur. nowadys though, all they can rap about is bling, cars, cribs, and girls...there are only a few "real" rappers left.

Beats are another key element to a sucessful song. Rap has terrific beats to it

Ryhthem? the beats are all rythmically placed and the rapper must rap with the beats

accompaniament is not uncommon in rap, as rap artists will star pop or R&B artists in their songs somethimes, which also adds melody. Jay-z and linkin park's collision course album is a perfect example of a cross-genre rap. It's lead single, Numb/Encore, soared to number one on the charts.

studio made sythesized sounds also add to rap's melody

The most listened to song in history is 50 cent's "In da Club". dont tell me rap is not music.

That's seem weird a little bit... Rap is kind of music true, but somehow dicustable... One of the reason why it's popular because it's easy to rap, everyone can basically rap and you don't need some instrument unlike classical music or rock/metal.

Even there, I doubt largely that In Da Club was the most listen song in the history of music. The album which feature In Da Club is Get Rich or Die Trying, but this album have only been sold to 11millions world wide, by comparaison, Metallica's Album Metallica (or Black Album) have been sold to 14 millions copy in the US only. In fact, Metallica have sold 200 millions albums worldwide (60millions worldwide for the Black Album ), making them one of the most successful metal band of the history.
 
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Gollevainen

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i share my wievs of rapmusic with Rommel, tough i don't understand rap at all. Everyone keep saying that it's strongly based on rythm but frankly that BS. It supposed to base on rythm but as a percussionist myself i don't call drummachines and other nonhuman made sound having some pattern a rythm.

One thing that i like so much in zeppelin music is the almoust pre-funky/motown type of rythm provided by Bonham and JPJ. It's amaizing, just listen to any live zeppelin material and you can find out it by yourself. The great thing in Bonhams style is that unlike another great idol of mine, Keinth Moon Bonhams style is pretty straight forward but equally energic and more disiplined thus liberating JPJ using his bas more freely than Entwhistle could do. (tough the later replaced this by unmached playing skill) Few zeppelin numbers were played live only by JPJ playing bas pedal at the same time as playing organ. Still the thunder and rythm was evident. No other band could ever do it with only four mens. The rythm is one of the main things that seperates zeppelin from other same era heavy bands like Black Sabbaht and Deep Purpe. Tough equally important difference is Pages ability to make music variating from deep delta blues to indian and other ethnic folk, from mountain moving hard rock to scheesy disco hits and even reggea (ok, the later effort wasen't all together succes;), but no one is perfect)
 

INVISIBLE

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Gollevainen said:
i share my wievs of rapmusic with Rommel, tough i don't understand rap at all.

The main thing in a rap is a text, instead of music. All sense that rappers sing.
Many rappers in Russia oppose racism. Rappers in Russia it is unique force capable to resist to nazis on the street.:nono:
 

Obcession

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MIGleader said:
excuse me? Rap is AWSOME!!! many epople who have only listened to rap once or twice think rap as plain rhyming. but its really evloved music.

first off, your lyrics must rhyme well and at the same time be flavorful. in the 90's, rap had alot of meaning to it too, primarily songs made by the late Tupac Shakur. nowadys though, all they can rap about is bling, cars, cribs, and girls...there are only a few "real" rappers left.

Beats are another key element to a sucessful song. Rap has terrific beats to it

Ryhthem? the beats are all rythmically placed and the rapper must rap with the beats

accompaniament is not uncommon in rap, as rap artists will star pop or R&B artists in their songs somethimes, which also adds melody. Jay-z and linkin park's collision course album is a perfect example of a cross-genre rap. It's lead single, Numb/Encore, soared to number one on the charts.

studio made sythesized sounds also add to rap's melody

The most listened to song in history is 50 cent's "In da Club". dont tell me rap is not music.

Ok, first of all Mig, don't take it personally, I'm not trying to offend you or attack your type of music, just wanna point some things out. And I never said rap is not music.

1. Personnally, I have heard VERY FEW rappers who actually rap about poor people on the streets and such alike. Many of the black rappers are so inmoral.

2. While it is true that rap has a strong beat, it is not a very sophisticated beat. At the most, it's just some four quarter note, maybe add in a eighth note, beat that repeats over and over again. I find all the beats in rap music to be really rigid. If you ever listen to any mozart or beethoven, you will know what I mean.

3. I can hardly call Numb/Encore rap, it's more like rock/pop.

4. But it is true that many rap songs only have a certain type of melody in the chorus, and the verses are all wrythm. It is not very evolved, in the sense that it does not have something to balance out the melody/wrythm. In classical music, when there's a melody, almost all of the time, there will be a harmony underneath the melody to add more texture to the sound. And in marchs, a lot of the times when there is a melody, there is a counter-melody, which also adds flavour to the sound. In rock/metal, The singer's sounds are supported by a harmony or wrythm, being played by the guitarists and bassists, with the drums being accompaniment, which adds flavour to the singer's sounds. In rap, well, a bunch of digitally made sounds. They are not as good as using real instruments, in the sense that digitally composed sounds are very rigid and allow no flexibility and decreases the amount of emotion that can be expressed in a piece of music, and besides, you can hardly hear any harmony or counter-melody in these sounds.

5. Sound support. When there is a high/medium voice, it will sound out of place, unless there is a low voice supporting it. That's why there're tubas and double basses in a band, supporting the medium-ranged alto saxs, which in turn supports the higher-pitched flutes and clarinets. In an orchestra, low-pitched basses support the medium-low trombones, baritones, which in turn supports the medium-ranged viola, which in turn supports the high-pitched instruments, like violin. In rock/metal, some of the times, the guitarist plays on the same level as the vocalist, with the bass supporting. Sometimes, the guitarist plays something really high, the vocalist in the medium range (well, it's really hard to sing high, you need an instrument for that), and the bassist in support. (I'm not very well-versed in rock, correct me if I'm wrong) Rap? Nothing's supporting the wrythms...

6. It's not as complicated as some of the other types of music. Such as, I cannot hear the difference between a moderato, to an andante, to an allegro, in rap. That's because rap does not emphasize the difference of tempos. A melody can be defined as a series of moving notes that is the main stay of the piece. Rap does not have a melody, just wrythm. And the songs that do have melody in their choruses, they're not very advanced, covering one octave of notes, max.

7. Oh, forgot to mention one more thing, rap does not emphasize the changes in dynamics (or, "loudness"). I can hardly hear any change in dynamics in a rap song. The common dynamics are: pp,p,mp,mf,f,ff. pp being the softest, and ff being the loudest. Of course, you can add in more p's and f's to exaggerate it. For example, I've seen quite a few pieces with parts written in fff, and one piece that had an ppp in it. I'm not sure if you note it this way in metal/rock, but I can certainly hear the dynamic changes in it.

Again, please don't take it personally.
 
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Gollevainen

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Well i got overdoze of finnish rap during my armydays (my team mates had very weird taste of music) so no russian rap to me...;) also if the point is in the words then it would be even more useless as i understand hardly few words in russian...

But most rapsongs that i've heard have no meaning in their lyrics other than continually repeating the rappers name and stuff about womens and cars and other aspects of luxurious life...eg. nothing that haven't done by the bluesmens back in the good ol' days tough 100 times better....

People tell me baby, keep me satisfied
Try to worry me baby but I never-uh
Get to be mine so
People worry, baby, to keep you satisfied
Ha, let me tell you baby
Oh, you ain't nothin but a two-bit, no good, yeah

I went to sleep last night, I work as hard as I can
I bring all my money, you take my money, give it to another man
I should have quit you, baby, oh, such a long time ago, oh
I wouldn't be here with all my troubles
Down on this killing floor

Squeeze me baby, 'til the juice runs down my leg
Now now, squeeze me baby, 'til the juice runs down my leg
The way you squeeze my lemon, I
I'm gonna fall right out of bed bed bed bed, yeah

trad. arraged by Ropert Plant;)
 

INVISIBLE

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I have songs, which in Russian and in English simultaneously. Besides there quite good music!

Gollevainen сan send me the Finnish rap??
 

ger_mark

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do you have the album of tatu and rammstein?

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Gollevainen

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Gollevainen сan send me the Finnish rap??

sorry mate, i don't know were to look. I'm quite old fashioned when it comes to musiclistening, i only do CDs (and even vinyls in some cases) and little understandment on these computer music things like Mp3 and so on...
 

MIGleader

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So im guessing were not allowed to post rap lyrics in here?

yes, in da club is the most listend to song in hostory, with 171 million listeners, via radio.

numb/encore is far from pop. just chack out jay-z's lyrics
"can i get an encore,
do you want more,
cooking *** with the brooklyn boy
(linkin park)"what the hell are you waiting for!!!"

(Jay-z) "after me, there shall be no more,
so for onle last time *****, make some noise.

6 ryhmes in a row!!!
besides, rappers steal melody from pop/rock artists all the time.
jay-z's style is called pop-rap, which differs from snoop doggs gangsta rap.
pop rap actually has som taste to it, and is more radio friendly. rappers who pop-rap tend to have twice the audiance as gansta rappers.

personally, i dont consider 50 cent one of the best rappers, coz he cant rap about anything positive. i like kanye west better.
 
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