What could the PLAN bring up against this baby? - the Thales APAR multifunction radar

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Eurofighter said:
At this moment I think that the question of whether or not China's modern DDGs are capable of engaging a great number of aerial targets simultaneously, really shouldn't deserve so much attention. The fact is that there are much more important issues waiting to get addressed.
From what I have read on the internet, the AAW abilities of China's modern warships (such as the 052c) are still limited only to point defence, while it should have been a true area defence force capable of providing air cover for the entire fleet or other surface ships.

I will quote couple of lines from the article "China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities — Background and Issues for
Congress" (which I probably got it from strategycenter.net).According to this article:

"A comparison [of the AAW system on the Luyang II class destroyers] to
[the] U.S. Navy Aegis [combat system] is inevitable, but Aegis was on [the U.S. Navy test ship] Norton Sound for nine years of development testing prior to the first installation on the USS Ticonderoga (CG-47) 20 years ago. Developing the software for signal processing and tracking a hundred air, surface and submarine targets will take even longer for China. Integration to various indigenous ship guns and missiles and other sensors, as well as other ships’ data management and weapons, will take longer. These Chinese “Aegis†ships may be limited to 1940s era radar tasks of detecting and tracking air and surface targets for their own ship weapons. Further in the future will be an 8,000-ton DDG that is predicted to be a true area control warship with additional Aegis capabilities. It is now in early construction stages in the new Dalian shipyard."
That's mistaking quite a bit. 052C is China's first area defense DDG. It has the entire active phased array + controlled system software integration. No body knows for sure how capable it is at handling targets. In terms of air coverage, it has to be considered area defense.
 

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Re: What could the PLAN bring up against this baby? - the Thales APAR multifunction r

tphuang said:
That's mistaking quite a bit. 052C is China's first area defense DDG. It has the entire active phased array + controlled system software integration. No body knows for sure how capable it is at handling targets. In terms of air coverage, it has to be considered area defense.

I guess the fact that nobody knows the true specifications and capabilities of the 051C is why "certain nations" are demanding more "transparency" by China in regards to the PLA.:rofl:
 

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Re: What could the PLAN bring up against this baby? - the Thales APAR multifunction r

tphuang said:
From a physical point of view, you probably want to have two SAMs per target when you are attempting to shoot something down. Considering that Aegis directs 24 missiles against 12 targets, I think it would be unrealistic to think that 051C or 052C can achieve better than that. Both of them are at 12 missiles against 6 targets right now. That is not bad, but will be improved with better software.

i thought the 52c could direct 16 on 8...
by the way, is the radar on board china's new 52 seiries capable of directing the ciw 730s against ships??

china needs to shrink its vls sizes, and bunch then into squares rather than circles. circles just waste space. that might let the ships hold up to twice as many missles with the same space, meaning the new destryers could hold as many missles as a burke.
 

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The type 730 CIWS is an independent system. As for the VLS, wouldn't it be better to leave the launcher as circles and then put them into triangular configuration?
 

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I was under the impression that type 730 is part of the "Chinese Aegis" system. As for 052C, it could be 16 engage 8. I'm not sure where I got the 12/6 from. I know that 052B's SAM can engage 8 targets.
 

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730 is more or less close looped with its own tracking sensor. There might be some feeds from volume search, but the engagment is done by the dedicated radar on the CIWS itself.
 

MIGleader

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you mean the rice lamp radar?
i think the 730 is a fully autonomous system, just like phalanx.

8 targets for the grizzly? i thought just 3 could aimed at a time, with 3 seconds in between each firing
 

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Well, you can read about it in this article, it talks about the radar for 956EM and 052B.
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