What airplanes should China get/have?

with the f-14 gone its harder for the american to stop such heavy bomber

the accuracy on the orignal russian missile will not be enough to target specific parts of the ship

maybe improved ones can tipical range 300km speed 3 mach

in us navy they flood fuel tank with co2 first thing in an attack

darth sidious said:

with the f-14 gone its harder for the american to stop such heavy bomber

the accuracy on the orignal russian missile will not be enough to target specific parts of the ship

maybe improved ones can tipical range 300km speed 3 mach

in us navy they flood fuel tank with co2 first thing in an attack

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If you fire several dozen anti-ship missiles at the carrier, then a few are bound to hit the bridge. And even if you leave the bridge intact, one missile on the flight deck can make it impossible for aircraft to take off, thus crippling a major offensive component of the American fleet.

Do you guys think the Tu-22M3 is a "must get" then (especially if Chinese missiles can be used)? Can we safely rely on LACM when the target is imposing an embargo on China far away? Can China build its own supersonic "long-range tactical" bomber? Can a submarine do the job instead [don't mean to get off-topic here, just thought it was relevant]?

Roger604 said:

Do you guys think the Tu-22M3 is a "must get" then (especially if Chinese missiles can be used)? Can we safely rely on LACM when the target is imposing an embargo on China far away? Can China build its own supersonic "long-range tactical" bomber? Can a submarine do the job instead [don't mean to get off-topic here, just thought it was relevant]?

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In my opinion, Tu-22M3 is a "must get" for the PLAAF. Why? First of all it is an advanced and very capable aircraft and would definitely boost China's airforce. Secondly, Tu-22M3 has a very long range which gives China more adventage in future conflicts. Eg. Taiwan, South China Sea, etc. Thirdly Tu-22M3 can carry nuclear missiles which gives China another adventage in future warfares.

I think China should acquire Tu-22M3.:china:
And i hope they do

the tu-22m3 is just another russian "cool toy". it indeed has superb performance, and can pose a threat to any cvbg or neighboir nations. but i think it would be much wiser for the plaaf to custom order its tu-22, if it intends to aquire them. the "off the shelf" tu-22m3s are from the russian air force, and are at least 15-20 years old. besides, the plaaf will likely use these assets for a somewhat different purpose than russia. in russia, the m3 was an anti cvbg naval bombaer. in the plaaf, it will serve as a multirole strategic bomber, and thus needs upgrades to fill that role. some upgrades:

a new fire control radar to guide Chinese cruise missles and stand off weapons, and other tv or laser guided bombs. this might be the main issue, as russia only lets china use russian missles on the su-30s and j-11s.

stealth. not full stealth, but a similar to b-1 upgrade. ram and some polymer components can really lower the huge bombers rcs.

some 21st ceturey avionics and ecm. the advanced electronics will greatly increse the survivability of the plane over hostile territory. as russia has shown itself capable of making these advanced avionics, thw plaaf should settle for nothing less than the best.

and the backfire needs to cost around 80-90 million a peice to be reasonable. i wouldnt advise on aquring more than 2 dozen.

canada said:

:coffee: This is me. Sitting around all day reading. From Sinodefence.com, I can see a airforce "gap" in China. Few choppers to carry troops. Few Naval figher bombers. Few bombers. Few fighers.
What kind of tech and what kind of aircraft should China have?

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If I were to list top 3 items:

1) Stealth
2) Armed UAV
3) Cruise missiles

I envision long range, stealth UAV's, armed with "stealth munitions". That is, AShM's, LACM's, etc. with low radar profile and anti-missile system avoidance capability. The munitions can be guided via satellite or other stealth recon UAV's.

Here's one example:


Human pilots require years of training, and can only serve for so many years before they retire to a civilian job flying 747's. Armed UAV's and cruise missiles do not require a pilot/cockpit, there is no risk to loss of life, and even if the technology is a little behind, if it's cheap enough you can do saturated attacks.

this might be the main issue, as russia only lets china use russian missles on the su-30s and j-11s.

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actually chinese are forced to use russian weapons in these planes becouse the russian fire corntol radars and systems doesen't understand chinese software programming languages...

Actually, LACM is one of China's strength. Missiles industry in general are not doing too badly. UAV development is hard to say. I wonder how those converted J-6s are doing. As for Russian software not being able to understand Chinese software. That must be the worst programmed avionics software. I do remember that a Chinese software engineer cracking the flanker control systems a while back. That's probably what allowed the full indigenization of flankers. For the backfires, we definitely need to put modern Chinese avionics + radar on them. In order to do that, we might need to get some sort of ToT from the Russians as part of the deal. With this order, the Russians might be able to afford to blackjacks a year instead of one.

China should acquire aircraft which are relevant to it's situation for instance
a land invasion of China is highly unlikely as is any other type of war between
China and any other major power.

Which leaves small scale dogfight/interception missions and of course the
evergreen issue of taiwan and when/if an invasion takes place.

America seems to have decided that the F-35 will be it's last manned aircraft
, I believe they're intending on having 1,400 after which we're into UAV
period

Thus China dosn't need to have large stocks of fighter aircraft, it needs small
stocks of high quality weapons so called assasins mace

China need to invest HEAVILY in naval warfare and space technologies

canada said:

Yes, there's two of them. But wouldn't it be nice for China to have them?

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What would the PLAAF do with them? They can't duplicate them. So what would be the purpose? Why do you think Russian never made anymore? The PLAAF best bet is to develop it's own aircraft and quit relying on those Russians.

China need to invest HEAVILY in naval warfare and space technologies

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100% correct. The PRC needs to develop it's own unique weapons of all kinds. Not copies or variants.....