USN fearful of PLAN subs

chinawhite said:

i dont get it.

when the ming class is using its electric motors during underwater crusing. is it detectedable?. there aren't a lot of moving parts when your using electric power. how hard would it be to detect?

or is the problem of enough electricity. or maybe need a need propeller

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You also have to take account teh censor suite of PLAN's deisels. Can they detect the US subs?

IDonT said:

You also have to take account teh censor suite of PLAN's deisels. Can they detect the US subs?

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Sure they can. Depending on where the US subs are and what they're doing/ how fast they're going.

About locating the carrier... it's much harder to do it in the open sea, where we have two fleets and they're both maneouvering around each other etc. If US and china would do battle chinese wouldn't go out to find and get the carrier. The burden would be on the americans to get close enough to china/taiwan to be able to attack chinese ground forces/navy or offer air protection. Being close enough to do that, the CBG gives the chinese a comparatively much smaller area to search. Not only that but operating from the mainland, chinese can use their overwhelming numbers to pinpoint the location of the carrier, of course losing not a small number of units while doing that.

After that it's anyone's game. One or two CBGs could not stand against fully determined to win at all cost combined chinese navy and air force attacks. But lets say that does happen, PLAN and PLAAF would be left rather weak after those 'successes'. So, ultimatively, if the US is fully comitted to the war, USN and USAAF would fully defeat their chinese counterparts in the long term.

I guess send out the J-5 UAVs to gather info? If they get shot down, no big deal.

tphuang said:

sure, but the problem is that China just doesn't have enough experience in sea battles.

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china has done multiple engagements with the vietnamese in the 80's. the last time the Us fought a real sea battle was WW2. the Us just exagerates it's silors real experience and training.

sino52C said:

At a certain point, lack of tech may still get you killed no matter how good your tactics are. Example, it's still suicide to use swords against rifles no matter how effectively you use them (exaggerated comparison).

A bunch of Mings and Romeos are easy to find and sink no matter how effectively you use them.

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the whole point of sending in mings is for them to get detected, so your songs and kilo's dont.

MIGleader said:

china has done multiple engagements with the vietnamese in the 80's. the last time the Us fought a real sea battle was WW2. the Us just exagerates it's silors real experience and training.

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Try Operation Praying Mantis 1987.

Sank half the Iranian navy in one afternoon.

MIGleader said:

the whole point of sending in mings is for them to get detected, so your songs and kilo's dont.

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Sending Migs will not make songs and kilo's undetectable. Each battle group has its own AAW, ASW, and ASuW warfare coordinator.

The Aegis system can track thousands of contacts simultaneusly.

tphuang said:

I guess send out the J-5 UAVs to gather info? If they get shot down, no big deal.

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Once they get info, how will they be able to communicate it to HQ. EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft will jam its communications.

i said real engagement. i know all about all the engagements with the iraqi shipborn silkworms too. but that was not a real opponent. plus,theres no reason to assume Us sailors train harder than chinese sailors.

now that iran is getting kilo's , they'll be alot harder to pick on.

MIGleader said:

i said real engagement. i know all about all the engagements with the iraqi shipborn silkworms too. but that was not a real opponent. plus,theres no reason to assume Us sailors train harder than chinese sailors.

now that iran is getting kilo's , they'll be alot harder to pick on.

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Preying mantis was a real engagement. US destroyed Iranian oil platforms in retaliation to mining the Persian Gulf. The IRanian navy sortied and were sunk with no US losses.

It's more than just training but also tactics and strategy. The USN has been handling and manueviring its carriers since 1930. It knows how to use them. PLAN's naval tradition is not that great.

In other words, the US wrote the book on modern naval warfare.