Usn Asw

bd popeye

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MIGleader said:
travelling to close to somones shore triggers questions, like WHAT ARE YOU DOING? spying?

I wouldnt call the usn navy tremendously proficcient at trackign diesles just because they are training with a single diesel. still a long way to go. Nothings that easy...

MIGleader, you nor I have no idea what strides the USN has made in it's quest to find SSK's. But I really think there has been a break through. I'm sure the Swedes are sharing information with the USN.
 

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bd popeye said:
MIGleader, you nor I have no idea what strides the USN has made in it's quest to find SSK's. But I really think there has been a break through. I'm sure the Swedes are sharing information with the USN.

Based upon the link, the USN has made significant progress. They have found ways to track Gotland. Gotland is undoubtedly stealthier than most SSK's out there. I agree popeye. The Swedes are sharing info, and getting some in return. This info sharing will result in new ASW hardware onboard USN vessels. The USN is finding ways/tactics to nuetralize the quiet diesel threat, that is apparent. But what it will mean to breakthroughs in sonar hardware is something I'm interested in also.

According to Capt. David Steindl: "If we can go against her, we can go against anyone". Sounds pretty confident to me. :)
 

MIGleader

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Its not that easy. For one thing, Gotland is onyl one ssk, while the a CSG may face up half a dozen in the pacific. The crews on the usn ships know they are looking for an ssk. In real war, there would be other, ships, planes, and missles are out there. The captain said "IF we can track her".

Gotland does not fire on the usn ships. If this were real, the usn sships would be killed several times over

If you think about it, a year of training with one ssk is insufficient. If your navy has a major defect, you cant simply work on it for a year and become experts.
 

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MIGleader said:
Its not that easy. For one thing, Gotland is onyl one ssk, while the a CSG may face up half a dozen in the pacific. The crews on the usn ships know they are looking for an ssk. In real war, there would be other, ships, planes, and missles are out there. The captain said "IF we can track her".

Gotland does not fire on the usn ships. If this were real, the usn sships would be killed several times over

If you think about it, a year of training with one ssk is insufficient. If your navy has a major defect, you cant simply work on it for a year and become experts.

The problem here is that the USN already can track diesels and has diesel sound signatures of modern diesels for the last twenty years. In real war, these diesels wouldn't likely operate anywhere near a carrier. In deep water, hull mounted active sonar works real good...even against anechoic tiled subs. Anechoic material is not a magical component. Plus there are also easier methods of detection such as MAD gear, low-frequency towed sonar arrays, sonobouys, datalinks, SURTASS units, USN sub sonar arrays, etc. Diesels just don't carry enough firepower or have the endurance and speed to be very succesful in this environment. And they are very noisy when transiting long distances at reasonable speed, making them easy to track and very vulnerable.

And this captain said, "If we can go against her, we can go against anyone". He said this immediately after he said they have been tracking Gotland. Meaning, now that his units can effectively track Gotland, they're able to take on any other diesel platform.

In real war and peacetime, the USN crews always know they are looking for air, surface, and sub-surface units. In real war, they are much more vigilant. This article shows the USN is in the process of nuetralizing the diesel sub threat. The USN already has robust capabilities against aircraft, missiles, and surface ships. And they have an unmatched ability to conduct deep-strike land attack missions. This ASW training is just another piece of the puzzle, and USN is progressing very rapidly. BTW, the USN have always been experts at ASW, it's just that the past 15 years, there haven't been any worthwhile opponents out there (Breakup of USSR). They have been out of practice and there have been improvements to diesel designs. But now, the USN is basically nuetralizing them. You're right, it's not easy....but the USN is getting the job done.
 
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MIGleader

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Diesels like the littorals, where there is plenty of interfernece. Deisels were out for a while, but its only recently that they became so quiet. As diesles technology improves, the usn will likely lenghthen the lease to keep up.
 
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