US Navy DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class

FORBIN

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dream on, FORBIN, but:
"... the service is moving to cancel the projectiles for the guns ..."
according to Today at 7:40 AM

Maybe a way to post for me not but not really pleasant ! in more i say i don' t think... and without to be cavalier i am enough aware for military things.

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So other cancelled ? many changes with this classes but completely make sense one other shell exist for targets more important in more from long time know the LRLAP is very expensiv.
 

FORBIN

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My favourite part is where the AGS does not have the ability to strike seagoing targets with its million-dollar shells.
Yes ! planned later but with this price incomprehensible all is not ready, in more 57 mm guns cancelled !
So actually except Helfire on MH-60 he don't have anti-ships weapons, in more normaly armed with only ESSM and no SM-2 ( SM-6 after ) as others US MSC with an anti-ships missiles capability and she don' t have ...

Later but not before 2020 he get AGM-158C LRASM.

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Today at 7:40 AM
Dec 23, 2014
and now New Warship’s Big Guns Have No Bullets

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now USNI News (EDIT begins with The Navy isn’t planning on buying the rocket assisted guided round designed for a key system in the Zumwalt-class of guided missile destroyer, a defense official confirmed to USNI News. so FORBIN do you now see why Today at 12:17 PM
dream on, FORBIN, but:
"... the service is moving to cancel the projectiles for the guns ..."
according to Today at 7:40 AM
?
LOL FORBIN and if you thought I was tough, you should perhaps check
A Ship With No Ammunition
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Navy Planning on Not Buying More LRLAP Rounds for Zumwalt Class
The Navy isn’t planning on buying the rocket assisted guided round designed for a key system in the Zumwalt-class of guided missile destroyer, a defense official confirmed to USNI News.

As part of the Navy’s draft for its fiscal year 2018 budget, the service is planning to not purchase any more of the Long Range Land Attack-Projectiles for the Zumwalt-class past about 90 the Navy secured to use for testing on the three hulls.

LRLAP, designed to be fired from the destroyer’s 155mm Advanced Gun Systems, was crafted to strike fixed land targets using GPS guidance at a range of more than 60 miles. LRLAP was set to aid deployed U.S. ground forces, giving a class of about 30 planned Zumwalts a naval surface fire support capability absent from the service since the Iowa-class battleships in the 1990s. However, when the class was trimmed to three hulls, the costs of the rounds the Navy would need went up.

The price for an individual round is estimated to be $800,000 to $1 million — a full buy of the about 2,000 planned rounds for the three ships would be about $1.8 to 2 billion on the high end of the estimate, USNI News understands. In comparison a Tomahawk Land Attack Missile with a range of about 1,000 nautical miles costs about $1 million.

Though LRLAP and AGS tested well, the price – about the cost of an Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer – was deemed too costly and the Navy scrapped the planned buy, a defense official told USNI News.

News of the LRLAP’s fate was first reported
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In a Monday statement to USNI News, spokeswoman Capt. Thurraya Kent said, “to address evolving threats and mission requirements, the Navy is evaluating industry projectile solutions (including conventional and hyper-velocity projectiles) that can also meet the DDG-1000 deployment schedule and could potentially be used as an alternative to LRLAP for DDG-1000.”

LRLAP developer Lockheed Martin told USNI News the company was ready to assist the service in a Monday statement.

“As the DDG -000’s mission continues to evolve, and taking into consideration funding profiles available to support the weaponization of the ship considering the severe reduction in the planned production quantities, the U.S. Navy decided to evaluate alternate solutions to LRLAP,” read the statement provided to USNI News.
“Lockheed Martin is working aggressively to provide the Navy with options in relation to the DDG-1000’s long-range land attack mission.”

However, the ease of adapting the BAE Systems-built AGS to a new round is unclear. The barrel of the AGS is specially designed to accommodate the LRLAP, then DDG-1000 program manager Rear Adm. Jim Downey told USNI News in May
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“It’s a unique barrel for this ammunition. It’s a six-inch round designed with the turnings to allow the LRLAP to fly out of that barrel. There’s been some studies over the year that [indicate] that you could but you’d have to undertake a modification of the system,” he said.
“It’s not impossible but you can’t directly fire [hyper velocity projectiles] out of that barrel without modifications.”

Additionally, the ship has a cooling system built around the LRLAP rate of fire – 10 rounds-per-minute per gun, sustained — and there would also be changes to accommodate a new round in the ship’s Raytheon-built combat system.

“There are studies to look at other rounds but none of that is in the program right now,” Downey said in May.

According to the story in Defense News, the Office of the Secretary of Defense was briefed last week on the service’s decision.
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FORBIN

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The price for an individual round is estimated to be $800,000 to $1 million — a full buy of the about 2,000 planned rounds for the three ships would be about $1.8 to 2 billion on the high end of the estimate, USNI News understands. In comparison a Tomahawk Land Attack Missile with a range of about 1,000 nautical miles costs about $1 million.
1700 km vs 150 - 190 and a Tomahawk have a warhead of 450 kg vs 11 and accuracy 7 m vs 20 - 50 m...

All these things remenber me EMALS etc... for Ford too sophisticated...

But on 920 rds planned max 100 LRLAP so make sense USN have one other munition and LRLAP know from long time expensive before 400000 $ yet a nice price...

In more i don' t think the rail gun can' t use same munitions surely not LRAP more long for range.
But munitions cheaper less big possible clearly more in magazines interesting.

Problem the rail gun is a delicate weapon to build and especially to integrate in the ship...
 
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Jeff Head

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I know some of the folks working n this program.

Mark my words.

The Zumwalts will end up doing all they have been advertised to do and more.

Like with the set back on any of the relly cutting edge programs, be it the Fords, the F-35s, LCS, etc...when you are pushing the edge you are gi g to be more exensive and run into issues.

It's not the ifrst go round for the US on such things.

But one day all three of those things (and perhaps more) are going to be completed and tey will be among the most feared and respected ships afloat...and they will end up with on Rail Gun and alsers to augment their capabilities.

We may have some set backs to get there...but remember what I am telling you about these.
 
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But on 920 rds planned max 100 LRLAP so make sense USN have one other munition and LRLAP know from long time expensive before 400000 $ yet a nice price...
that's what you say; but:

The Navy has explored alternative rounds for AGS, Downey said. [then DDG-1000 program manager Rear Adm. Jim Downey, I add]

“It’s not impossible, but you can’t directly fire [other rounds] out of that barrel without modifications,” he said.
“There are studies to look at other rounds, but none of that is in the program right now.”

dated May 23, 2016 4:42 PM
Zumwalt Brings Mix of Challenges, Opportunities to Fleet
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so, FORBIN, I have no idea what are you talking about, and since you probably have no idea what I'm talking about

(despite I have posted new data, FORBIN, the most recent information
Yesterday at 7:40 AM
... New Warship’s Big Guns Have No Bullets

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and
Yesterday at 8:02 PM
... USNI News ... begins with The Navy isn’t planning on buying the rocket assisted guided round designed for a key system in the Zumwalt-class of guided missile destroyer, a defense official confirmed to USNI News.
...
Navy Planning on Not Buying More LRLAP Rounds for Zumwalt Class

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I'll summarize it for you: the Zumwalt will "show off" with big empty guns
(you may have the last word here; I'm not going to respond)
 

FORBIN

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The Navy has explored alternative rounds for AGS, Downey said. [then DDG-1000 program manager Rear Adm. Jim Downey, I add]

“It’s not impossible, but you can’t directly fire [other rounds] out of that barrel without modifications,” he said.
“There are studies to look at other rounds, but none of that is in the program right now.”
Talking for it mainly but really it is surely not very difficult to do a 155 mm munition modified based on an Army's munition i think mainly USN going only for a " new toy " very expensive.
What they wait for have it ?

So now the problem is AGS guns is also very expensive and right now without munitions useless taxpaypers pay for nothing... ! and Zumwalt class can have only a gun with the new rail guns but for 5 years minimum... or buy new 127/62 cal with Volcano munitions get a long range almost 100 km the right choice cheaper which should have been done, in more USN know from long time only 6 AGS obviously so few for buy.
 

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Lethe said:
My favourite part is where the AGS does not have the ability to strike seagoing targets with its million-dollar shells.

Yes ! planned later but with this price incomprehensible all is not ready, in more 57 mm guns cancelled !
So actually except Helfire on MH-60 he don't have anti-ships weapons, in more normaly armed with only ESSM and no SM-2 ( SM-6 after ) as others US MSC with an anti-ships missiles capability and she don' t have ...

Later but not before 2020 he get AGM-158C LRASM.

...

And not capable vs air targets exist very few ships with guns not able for it mainly fire control radars problems.
 

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Beautiful photos of a futuristic ship that looks straight out of Star Trek. Would love to hear the reactions of countries when this baby does port visits! These pictures are awesome especially with the MQ 8C Fire Scout on deck and with the F-35A flyby. Just a nice glance into the Future Navy this ship is!

and I can't wait for video's from the Zummies bridge, of that funky bow cutting through some "HIGH" seas????

bet it looks like the view from the con on a Nuke boat???
 

SteelBird

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The price for an individual round is estimated to be $800,000 to $1 million — a full buy of the about 2,000 planned rounds for the three ships would be about $1.8 to 2 billion on the high end of the estimate, USNI News understands. In comparison a Tomahawk Land Attack Missile with a range of about 1,000 nautical miles costs about $1 million.
0.8 ~ 1 million per round, the US Navy just has too much money to spend!!!
 
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