US Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Related to the current discussion. It seems the US military is slowly going away from the M4 family, at least it's high end forces for right now.
I think internal heat management in a gun is probably also a way to go. I think in the HK416 i.e. the hot gases are routed in a way the keeps the bolt cooler, (maybe similar for the SCAR).
US special forces prepare for additional SCAR influx
By Andrew White - 29 October 2009
nitial fielding of FNH USA's Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is expected to conclude in December and a larger follow-on order is anticipated in early 2010 to fully equip the majority of associated units within the group.
A total of 1,200 Mk 16 and Mk 17 SCAR weapon systems have been delivered to SOCOM to date, but FNH USA told Jane's that it expected a larger order for around 20,000 weapons next year.
The additional orders are expected to include approximately 15,000 5.56 mm Mk 16 SCAR-Light and 5,000 Mk 17 7.62 mm SCAR-Heavy weapons as well as a number of 40 mm Mk 13 Enhanced Grenade Launcher Modules.
I think internal heat management in a gun is probably also a way to go. I think in the HK416 i.e. the hot gases are routed in a way the keeps the bolt cooler, (maybe similar for the SCAR).
US special forces prepare for additional SCAR influx
By Andrew White - 29 October 2009
nitial fielding of FNH USA's Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is expected to conclude in December and a larger follow-on order is anticipated in early 2010 to fully equip the majority of associated units within the group.
A total of 1,200 Mk 16 and Mk 17 SCAR weapon systems have been delivered to SOCOM to date, but FNH USA told Jane's that it expected a larger order for around 20,000 weapons next year.
The additional orders are expected to include approximately 15,000 5.56 mm Mk 16 SCAR-Light and 5,000 Mk 17 7.62 mm SCAR-Heavy weapons as well as a number of 40 mm Mk 13 Enhanced Grenade Launcher Modules.
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but that's just a competition, if you wanna talk about the best snipers i'd say israel trumps all.
and snipers dont exactly represent the marksmanship of infanteers.
Thanks for that opinion.
I'd like to see a competition where more countries were present and was held outside of the US.
yeah but other countries have different doctrines regarding the use of sniper. Russia and China have snipers down to each section. but those arent "real" snipers, their job is to take out enemy machine gunners and all that stuff. their marksmanship level is great but nowhere near that of the US and Canada and other NATO countries...but you cant say that the snipers here can be much of a help on the field without semi-automatic weapons to sustain a relatively high rate of fire. so different doctrines produce different soldiers, and doctrines are produced by tactical demands, tactical demands are produced by strategic environments...cant say which is better or worse.
Yes, the "Eastern" countries were very heavily influenced by the Soviet concept of "sniperism", which originated at Stalingrad. Basically they tried to get almost all riflemen to incorporate some elements of sniper mind-set and training into the way they operate, and also placed designated marksmen with semi-auto sniper rifles like the SVD into even very small infantry formations.
In the West, "snipers" tend to be more elite soldiers, and there are far fewer of them. They operate alone or more commonly with a spotter and are generally more independent of the squad-platoon etc. structure made up of average riflemen. Often times Western armies will also have "designated marksmen" within their regular infantry small units, arming them with for example an M-4 with a bipod, surpressor and more advanced scope.
bladerunner
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While I can understand the Western armed services is trained to a higher level how can you determine whose forces have the better individual marksman.?
here is a true story, though the Canadian government never joined bush in the war in iraq, there are Canadian soldiers (many of whom are snipers) who were attached to American units that went with them to iraq. and there they were generally considered as the better snipers. too bad some of them died but cant have their names honoured cuz they died in iraq.
if you are talkin about the average level of the militaries around the world, its kinda hard to determine. in the west i say the commonwealth and some European armies are quite diligent in improving marksmanship. the Eastern armies focus a lot on marksmanship as well, i know PLA more than the other armies so i am gonna use it as an example. rumour says that soldiers in the PLA fire less rounds in training than western armies in general. however, these soldiers, starting from recruits, spend hours practicing aiming the weapon. if you search it up you'll find a lot of photos of soldiers in firing position, with canteens or bricks stripped to the barrel, and they will remain in that position for a LONG time. and when they get practical training on the field,their scores are pretty decent. the standard passing grade is generally unacceptable in Cat A units (only talkin about infanteers here).
bladerunner
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Not a good look for the US Navy
They were actually sleeping while on duty?
US Navy investigators have placed the blame for a March 2009 collision in the Gulf on "ineffective and negligent" leadership of the submarine involved.
Fifteen sailors were injured when the nuclear-powered USS Hartford collided with the USS New Orleans, a navy ship.
Sleeping, slouching and a radio room with music speakers were tolerated on board the submarine, the report says.
Five submariners would routinely sleep on watch, and the navigator took an exam while listening to his iPod.
The report was obtained by the Navy Times newspaper under a Freedom of Information Act request.
According to the report, the crew of the USS New Orleans - which ruptured an oil tank in the crash in the Strait of Hormuz near Iran - bore no fault for the accident.
Five known 'sleepers'
"Correction of any one of nearly 30 tactical and watchstander errors, or adherence to standard procedures, could have prevented this collision," said Adm John C Harvey, as he endorsed the investigation's findings.
The USS Hartford's commanding officer, Cmdr Ryan Brookhart, was relieved of his duties following the collision. Several other crew members were punished.
The report states that the submarine had five known "sleepers" - sailors who would routinely take a nap on watch. Two of the five were working when the collision happened, but there was no evidence they were asleep.
Helmsmen told investigators they would often "slouch in their seats with one hand on the controls".
However, the report said most of the crew were nevertheless of a superb calibre, and were eager to restore their vessel's standing.
The cost of repairs to the Hartford so far stands at more than $100m (£60m), while $2.3m (£1.3m) worth of damage was caused to the New Orleans.
They were actually sleeping while on duty?
US Navy investigators have placed the blame for a March 2009 collision in the Gulf on "ineffective and negligent" leadership of the submarine involved.
Fifteen sailors were injured when the nuclear-powered USS Hartford collided with the USS New Orleans, a navy ship.
Sleeping, slouching and a radio room with music speakers were tolerated on board the submarine, the report says.
Five submariners would routinely sleep on watch, and the navigator took an exam while listening to his iPod.
The report was obtained by the Navy Times newspaper under a Freedom of Information Act request.
According to the report, the crew of the USS New Orleans - which ruptured an oil tank in the crash in the Strait of Hormuz near Iran - bore no fault for the accident.
Five known 'sleepers'
"Correction of any one of nearly 30 tactical and watchstander errors, or adherence to standard procedures, could have prevented this collision," said Adm John C Harvey, as he endorsed the investigation's findings.
The USS Hartford's commanding officer, Cmdr Ryan Brookhart, was relieved of his duties following the collision. Several other crew members were punished.
The report states that the submarine had five known "sleepers" - sailors who would routinely take a nap on watch. Two of the five were working when the collision happened, but there was no evidence they were asleep.
Helmsmen told investigators they would often "slouch in their seats with one hand on the controls".
However, the report said most of the crew were nevertheless of a superb calibre, and were eager to restore their vessel's standing.
The cost of repairs to the Hartford so far stands at more than $100m (£60m), while $2.3m (£1.3m) worth of damage was caused to the New Orleans.