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Jura The idiot
General
I facepalm! this the concern of the US Navy now, to be frigging Green ... Ecological ... I'm disgusted!! as I happen to know what Great White Fleet was and so on and so forth
but you are normaly back soon for F-35
Jura The idiot
General
I looked something like this while reading about the US Navy biofuel, renewable energy and other droppings
hope the next Administration will concentrate on war-fighting capabilities! and will leave it at that
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I wouldn't rag on the DOD alternative energy to to much J, remember Novices focus on tactics professionals deal with logistics. from an energy stand point the military is a BIG fuel user And if some of the Biofuels deliver on there promises they will offer advantages to the warfighter. For example Biofuel for Jets is supposed to offer a 15% range Increase by being lighter in weight vs the same amount of conventional fuels. That means more weapons or more range.
It also means more stability for fuels as continuing to buy fuel from other nations is a potential weak point for any nation.
As the US internally is shifting to a More Energy independent model having a number of fuel types supplied from home means more stability for logistics. father more Green Tech can augment systems and offers some other advantages. Hybrid vehicles for example produce less heat and sound then conventional powered ones, Electric transmissions can take power from any supply and even use smaller engines to recharge. Solar cells can draw on power and run equipment for extended periods and recharge the tools of infantry units who may not be able to access a conventional power supply. More independent facilities like Forward Operations Bases can use solar cells and wind turbines to power there systems with less drain on generators.
It also means more stability for fuels as continuing to buy fuel from other nations is a potential weak point for any nation.
As the US internally is shifting to a More Energy independent model having a number of fuel types supplied from home means more stability for logistics. father more Green Tech can augment systems and offers some other advantages. Hybrid vehicles for example produce less heat and sound then conventional powered ones, Electric transmissions can take power from any supply and even use smaller engines to recharge. Solar cells can draw on power and run equipment for extended periods and recharge the tools of infantry units who may not be able to access a conventional power supply. More independent facilities like Forward Operations Bases can use solar cells and wind turbines to power there systems with less drain on generators.
Jura The idiot
General
had it not come from you, bro, I wouldn't have reacted so let me tell you this:
I of course see the importance of developing new technologies (the first example which came to my mind: USN Destroyers' Propulsion ... hope Future Surface Combatant won't use COGAG), and I'm relatively well aware about how difficult it is to field them EDIT for the US Navy now:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aircraft-carriers-iii.t7304/page-85#post-395328
but I don't applaud mixing fat into the naval fuel and calling it
- Green
- Clean
- Alternative
- Better War Fighting (as in "The Great Green Fleet shows how we are transforming our energy use to make us better warfighters, to go farther, stay longer, and deliver more firepower." )
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
It's not a slab of lard sitting in the gas tank. It's processed and blended with other compounds. Remember Jura all fossil fuels were at one time Organic fats.
That's what Hydrocarbons are an Organic means of storing energy most of it being based on the remains of primitive swamp plant life from before the age of the Dinosaurs.
Is It green? Green is kinda a buzz word really is it avalible form a reliable supply? Yes yes it is. Biomass happens every where and biofuels like biodiesel can be sourced from any where even your local golden arches.
Is it Clean? well It tends to burn slightly cleaner then the conventional fuels. this is as it's more tailored a mix as you don't have extra compounds mixed in because it's blended by man vs by whatever happened to have formed underground.
Is it an alternative? on sourcing yes.
better warfighting. because the fuels are blended the way they are. they are basically tailored to be richer in Octane then conventional fuels with less contaminates this means that the fuel has more bang for it's weight then the same conventional fuel which is where the weight comes in for any platform a fuel with less inclusive compounds operating in a combustion system is going to burn cleaner and better giving better results especially in the case of a weight critical platform like a navy ship or aircraft.
Consider the Royal Navy's change from Coal to Oil fire.
Prior to 1890 from the start of the steamer ship, Coal was the established fuel for the navy, It was safe to handle and widely available. yet It couldn't be transferred at sea, exhausted a crew refueling and was nasty to those handling it from miner to salor. It produced the thick toxic smoke visible for miles.
Oil however offered a fuel that was more volatile , yet Oil burns hotter meaning smaller lighter boilers allowing increased range. Oil could be pumped meaning that fueling at sea could be done and the whole crew was not needed to shovel rocks It cut the crews down by not needed crews to continually shovel coal. All of which increased the range and speed of the ships and created less smoke.
If these new fuels perform as advertized in the end who cares what it's made from.
That's what Hydrocarbons are an Organic means of storing energy most of it being based on the remains of primitive swamp plant life from before the age of the Dinosaurs.
Is It green? Green is kinda a buzz word really is it avalible form a reliable supply? Yes yes it is. Biomass happens every where and biofuels like biodiesel can be sourced from any where even your local golden arches.
Is it Clean? well It tends to burn slightly cleaner then the conventional fuels. this is as it's more tailored a mix as you don't have extra compounds mixed in because it's blended by man vs by whatever happened to have formed underground.
Is it an alternative? on sourcing yes.
better warfighting. because the fuels are blended the way they are. they are basically tailored to be richer in Octane then conventional fuels with less contaminates this means that the fuel has more bang for it's weight then the same conventional fuel which is where the weight comes in for any platform a fuel with less inclusive compounds operating in a combustion system is going to burn cleaner and better giving better results especially in the case of a weight critical platform like a navy ship or aircraft.
Consider the Royal Navy's change from Coal to Oil fire.
Prior to 1890 from the start of the steamer ship, Coal was the established fuel for the navy, It was safe to handle and widely available. yet It couldn't be transferred at sea, exhausted a crew refueling and was nasty to those handling it from miner to salor. It produced the thick toxic smoke visible for miles.
Oil however offered a fuel that was more volatile , yet Oil burns hotter meaning smaller lighter boilers allowing increased range. Oil could be pumped meaning that fueling at sea could be done and the whole crew was not needed to shovel rocks It cut the crews down by not needed crews to continually shovel coal. All of which increased the range and speed of the ships and created less smoke.
If these new fuels perform as advertized in the end who cares what it's made from.
I looked something like this while reading about the US Navy biofuel, renewable energy and other droppings
hope the next Administration will concentrate on war-fighting capabilities! and will leave it at that
Oh Hallelujah!!! you really do have a passionate soul! and your not the "commander DATA! emotionless figure of facts???? HEH! HEH! HEH!
I whole heartedly agree, with your knowledge the bio-fuel tripe is just tripe, much like my desire for an F-22 resurrection, we need a truly competent fifth gen fighter to answer everyone else's also ran's, and that my boy includes our 89% fifth gen F-35 lacking supercruise and high altitude credentials! its still only a little more than 4/5's of an F-22???