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Jeff Head

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As I recall, AGM-158 could not fit in F-35 internal bay and that is one of the reason they started developing JSM from NSM . But overall AGM-158 is much more impressive weapon then NSM, so this decision seems logical .
Yes...and that will be for the Norwegians for sure.

The new JSM will fit into the internal bay...which I believe would be good for all nations. Give them some flexibility.

My point is that it would be nice to have a weapon that can fit into the bay for specific missions that might require maintaining the aircraft's stealth profile.

Call me selfish...but I would like to have both for those reasons.
 

navyreco

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U.S. Navy awards contract to Boeing to produce 44 F/A-18 Super Hornets & EA-18G Growlers
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The F/A-18 and EA-18G Program Office (PMA-265) announced today a contract award to Boeing for 44 F/A-18 Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft over the next two years.

“The F/A-18 and EA-18G program continues to thrive, and it is by far the predominant tactical force for naval aviation – both U.S. Navy and Marine Corps,” said Capt. Frank Morley, PMA-265 program manager. “The hard work of the government and industry team to negotiate this contract will ensure that the great capabilities provided by these variants continue to serve our warfighters and foreign partners.”

With this production contract in place, the Navy will procure the fiscal 2014 program of record aircraft in addition to the 12 EA-18Gs requested by Australia in July 2013 for the Royal Australian Air Force.

“The Navy’s long-range strike fighter procurement strategy is to have a mix of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and F-35 Lightning IIs by the early-2020s,” Morley said. “We will operate F/A-18E/F and F-35 aircraft together from our aircraft carriers through the 2030s.”
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U.S. Navy awards contract to Northrop Grumman for 25 E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft
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In a decision that will save the federal government about $369 million, Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) awarded a $3.643 billion multi-year procurement contract to Northrop Grumman Corp. on June 30 for 25 E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft.
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Jeff Head

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More info on these new naval aircraft orders (and Skywatcher, with this particular administration, we are happy for everything we can get):

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Naval Today said:
The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Missouri, is being awarded a $1,9 billion fixed-price-incentive-fee contract for the full rate production of 11 Lot 38 F/A-18E aircraft for the U.S. Navy and 33 EA-18G aircraft for the U.S. Navy (21) and the government of Australia (12).

Work will be performed in El Segundo, California (46 percent); St. Louis, Missouri (30 percent); Fort Worth, Texas (2 percent); East Aurora, New York (1.5 percent); Irvine, California (1percent); Ajax, Ontario, Canada (1 percent), and various locations within the United States (18.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2016.

Fiscal 2013 and 2014 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $1,405,732,929 and foreign military sales funds in the amount of $533,427,890 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year.

This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S.C. 2304(c)(1). This contract combines purchase for the U.S. Navy ($1,405,732,929; 72.7 percent) and the government of Australia ($533,427,890; 27.3 percent) under the Foreign Military Sales Program.

The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N00019-14-C-0032).

That's a total of 44 aircraft (32 for the US Navy and 12 for Australia) from Boeing, which will keep those production lines rolling.

In more US Navy news...

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Naval Today said:
Northrop Grumman Systems Corp, Aerospace Systems, Bethpage, New York, is being awarded a $3,6 billion modification to definitize the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye advanced acquisition contract (N00019-13-C-9999) to a multi-year, fixed-price-incentive-firm target contract.

In addition, this modification provides for the procurement of 25 full rate production E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft.

Work will be performed in St. Augustine, Florida (24.90 percent); Syracuse, New York (20.58 percent); Melbourne, Florida (7.60 percent); El Segundo, California (4.56 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (4.06 percent); Menlo Park, California (3.90 percent); Rolling Meadows, Illinois (2.30 percent) and various locations throughout the United States (32.10 percent); and is expected to be completed in August 2021.

Fiscal 2014 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $871,766,824 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

Very critical contracts altogether. That's a total of fifty-seven new aircraft for the US Navy covering the entire electronic warfare and airborne early warning requirements, as well as adding more Super Hornet strike fighters.
 

bd popeye

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Thanks for posting navyreco and Jeff.

More info on these new naval aircraft orders (and Skywatcher, with this particular administration, we are happy for everything we can get):

You said it brother Jeff!

The contract for the E-2D Hawkeye is of utmost importance. The Hawkeye is the "Eyes of the Fleet". And the most important aircraft in a carrier air wing.. An USN CVN CSG cannot operate without the Hawkeye airborne and operational.
 

bd popeye

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It is good news. USS John Paul Jones(DDG 53) is taking USS Lake Erie (CG 70) position in Hawaii as a missile test ship.

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CORONADO, Calif. (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy announced Jan. 7, that USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) will swap homeports with USS Lake Erie (CG 70) this summer. USS Preble (DDG 88) will also leave San Diego for Hawaii this summer to replace the decommissioned frigate, USS Reuben James (FFG 57).

Moving the two guided-missile destroyers to Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam will provide updated, advanced Aegis capabilities to Commander, Naval Surface Group Middle Pacific (CNSGMP). It will also allow Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, to proceed to San Diego for a scheduled, extended docking ship repair availability (EDSRA).

Lake Erie is expected to replace John Paul Jones as a rotational Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) deployer out of San Diego once the EDSRA is complete. John Paul Jones and Preble are Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers that can operate independently and perform key roles in support of a carrier strike group, expeditionary strike group or surface action group. John Paul Jones is currently the most technologically advanced ship within the BMD program and will be used in that capacity to support the Navy and Missile Defense Agency testing program. Recently, the ship was updated with the latest Aegis BMD capability to engage ballistic missiles with the SM-3 missile.

DDGs are capable of sustained combat operations supporting forward presence, maritime security, sea control and deterrence. These combatants operate in a network centric warfare environment and execute multi-mission tasking to include air, surface, undersea, space and cyber warfare. DDGs coordinate with units of a task group to conduct naval operations and execute the Maritime Strategy under a naval component commander.

USS Reuben James, the last remaining guided-missile frigate homeported in Hawaii, was decommissioned July 18, 2013 after nearly 30 years of distinguished naval service.

Maintaining the most technologically advanced ships support the United States and its commitment to the security, stability and prosperity of the Indo-Asia-Pacific region.
 

thunderchief

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That's a total of 44 aircraft (32 for the US Navy and 12 for Australia) from Boeing, which will keep those production lines rolling.

44 for $1.9 billion ? Or 32 (just USN ) for $1.9 billion ? First option would be $43.2 million per plane (excellent price) , and second $ 59.3 million which is still far better then overpriced F-35C :p And some of the planes are Growlers, which are inherently more expensive then baseline Rhino .
 

Jeff Head

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44 for $1.9 billion ? Or 32 (just USN ) for $1.9 billion ? First option would be $43.2 million per plane (excellent price) , and second $ 59.3 million which is still far better then overpriced F-35C :p And some of the planes are Growlers, which are inherently more expensive then baseline Rhino .
The article makes it sound like that it is for all 44 aircraft. The foreign sales come in from Australia in this case, and the domestic from the US military...but all funneled to Boeing.

But that does seem too low.

In 2014, the US procurement cost for an EA-18G growler is $89.068 million each

The current procurement cost for an F/A-18E/F is $60.9 million each (which does not differntiate the cost. I imagine an Echo is somewhat less than that average, while a Foxtrot is somewhat more).

If you take just the US orders of 11 F/A-18Es and 21 EA-1Gs, this adds up to over $2.5 billion. So I have to conclude that $1.9 billion dollar number does not include the engines. Which makes since because that money would go to GE. And the math (as I understand it) adds up, because each aircraft's engine cost is about $1.84 million. When you multiply that by 32 aircraft, you get about $590 million, and when you take that away from the overall procurement cost of 2.5 billion, it gets you back to $1.9 billion.

So, I have to believe that the $1.9 billion is just for US aircraft, and does not include their engine cost.

Finally, Thunder...just a word to the wise...you really do not have to throw in a dig on such posts to the F-35. When the post, the deal, and the discussion are not about the F-35 at all, throwing in such a comment can be construed as flame bait, and that is not allowed on SD.

Cheers.
 

FORBIN

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The second Burke, USS Ross (DDG 71) is arrived to Rota her new homeport in june from Norfolk, two will follow in 2015 one from Norfolk, Porter and Carney from Mayport.


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