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Posted on InsideDefense.com: June 6, 2014

The Navy is looking at designing exit routes on its newest flight of Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers to allow easier modernization of the ship's key combat systems, according to the program manager.

The Navy now must cut through many layers of ship structure and distributed systems in order to remove combat systems when it comes time to modernize them
, DDG-51 program manager Capt. Mark Vandroff told Inside the Navy in a June 5 interview at Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters.

"We know we have some areas where we wouldn't have to disrupt distributed systems, and we would either have to make a couple of simple hull cuts or a couple of bolted access plates that we could remove and therefore be able to swap out key components as they modernize," Vandroff said.

This plan would mean easier, less expensive modernization of these combat systems
, he added.

The move is just one of the steps the Navy could take to increase the modularity of its destroyers in preparation for a future class of surface ship, Vandroff said.

The Office of the Chief of Naval Operations (OPNAV) has assembled a team to examine options for a future surface combatant, run by Rear Adm. Tom Rowden, the Navy's surface warfare director in the office of the chief of naval operations (N96). Vandroff was invited to share his shipbuilding expertise with the team, he said.

The analysis effort, though still in its requirement phase, is looking in particular at making surface ships more modular and reconfigurable, Vandroff said.

"How can you . . . make it so a ship is more affordable and more easily reconfigured so that a ship that spends 10 or 15 years doing mission X can pick up mission Y at a lower cost," he said. "Those are the kinds of questions that they are asking, but that should not imply that we have an answer yet."

Flight III and the new Zumwalt-class DDG-1000 destroyer program could inform that broader effort, Vandroff told ITN in a March interview.

Vandroff last week highlighted several capabilities the DDG-51 platform currently fields that the OPNAV effort may examine, including its enhanced air and missile defense radar (AMDR), which is planned to replace the existing SPY-1D radar.

"The question for Flight III they asked was, 'how do we get AMDR and the capability that it brings to the ballistic missile defense threat, how do we get that to sea as quickly and cheaply as possible?'" Vandroff said.

He also pointed to the ship's survivability and record of maintaining affordability as characteristics the Navy would want to carry forward perhaps to a new class of ships.

In terms of existing modular systems aboard DDG-51, Vandroff noted the modular missile launcher on the Aegis combat system, which is fielded by destroyers and guided-missile cruisers. The vertical launch system (VLS) on the vessel can shoot a variety of missiles and can be adapted to field new missile capabilities, Vandroff said.

Vandroff compared VLS to an aircraft carrier, which can support a variety of aircraft capabilities.

"When I invent a new aircraft, I don't have to re-invent the aircraft carrier," Vandroff said. "Now, every time you invent a new missile, you say OK if it fits inside the vertical launch system, we can adapt and we can field a new missile capability . . . Before the advent of VLS, a new missile meant a new missile launcher."

The Navy plans to procure the Flight III variant beginning in fiscal year 2016.
The CNO signed the capabilities development document for the program within the last month, Vandroff said.

ITN learned of the future surface combatant effort from Navy officials speaking at the American Society of Naval Engineers' ASNE Day 2014 in Arlington, VA, in February.
After the Surface Navy Association symposium in January 2013, the service began a 90-day wargame effort to define modularity, scalability and flexibility for the future service combatant. The service then commissioned a study of the future surface combatant, executed from August to December 2013.
The next step is a capabilities-based assessment on the new platform to set the ship up for the start of the acquisition process.
 
US vs Russia/China:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: June 6, 2014

Increased defense spending by countries like Russia and China could reduce reliance on U.S. defense industries as developing foreign defense companies enter the export market and provide materials for their home nations, according to a June 6 report by Deloitte.

Those countries are rearming and rebuilding their militaries, riding a wave of low debt and high growth, the report states in describing what it calls a new pattern in defense spending.

"Russia is undertaking its largest rearmament program since the breakup of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with defense spending set to increase by more than 60 percent from 2013 to 2016," the report states.

Additionally, the Defense Department released an annual report June 5 stating that China plans to build multiple aircraft carriers over the next decade to support plans for power projection (Defense Alert, June 5).

"China continues to pursue a long-term, comprehensive military modernization program designed to improve the capacity of its armed forces to fight and win short-duration, high-intensity regional contingencies," the DOD report states.

The high economic growth in these countries is expanding defense investment to a point where opportunities are emerging to develop domestic defense industries and enter the global export market, the Deloitte report states.

"Russia's arms sales abroad rose by 15 percent in the first half of 2013 and military technical collaboration is a key element of Russia's revised defense strategy," the report states.

Meanwhile, countries with high gross domestic products that spend big on defense, like the United States, are having trouble sustaining their current budgeting levels because of high debt and slow economic growth.

The end of the war in Afghanistan coupled with instability in Ukraine create new economic and security environments where higher-income, high-debt nations constrain defense-related investments and pursuits, according to the report.

Higher-income nations are, however, developing impediments to cyber operations, which has emerged as a global threat in which those nations are targeted more frequently.

The United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have developed collaborative approaches to deter cyber attacks. The United States also continues to make cybersecurity one of its main priorities, according to the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, released earlier this year.
 

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Defense News said:
The US Navy doesn’t want it, but the Marines and a major shipbuilder do. And since last year, Congress has been moving ahead with approving and funding a new amphibious ship, the unnamed LPD 28.

Money was approved last year to begin buying parts of the ship, and most observers feel it’s a better-than-even bet that Congress will add it to the 2015 defense budget.

LPD 28 would become the twelfth San Antonio-class ship, all built by Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII). The ship would be built at the company’s Ingalls yard in Pascagoula, Mississippi, with an overall price tag of about $1.8 billion.

But here’s a question that, so far, has barely been raised in the public debate arena: Are we talking about one ship, or two?

The answer might be two. Or maybe not.

From the point of view of General Dynamics Bath Iron Works (BIW), should the Navy award a contract for LPD 28 to HII, Bath should receive a compensatory guided-missile destroyer — one that could come from those already awarded to Ingalls.

Ingalls, not unexpectedly, disagrees, contending that Bath already has received extra destroyers, and that no compensation would be needed.

The genesis of the dispute goes back to 2002, when the LPD program was experiencing horrendous production problems. What then was Northrop Grumman’s Avondale shipyard in New Orleans was the lead yard for the LPD program, which was forecast to consist of 12 ships. Of those, four — including LPD 28 — were to be built by BIW in Bath, Maine.

But with the LPD program in disarray, the Navy and its shipbuilders agreed to streamline production. In 2002, all signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) that transferred all LPDs scheduled to be built at Bath to Northrop’s yards along the Gulf Coast, in exchange for DDG 51-class destroyers contracted to Northrop. Put simply, three Bath LPDs were traded for three Ingalls DDGs.

Since then, the LPD program was cut from 12 to 10, then restored to 11, ending at LPD 27. Northrop got out of the shipbuilding business and a new entity — HII — was formed, including Ingalls and the now-closed Avondale shipyards. The DDG 51 program was also scheduled to end at DDG 112, but subsequently was restarted by the Navy, awarding contracts to both Ingalls and BIW. As of now, all destroyer contracts through DDG 126 in fiscal 2017 have been awarded, split between Ingalls and Bath.

The MoU was reaffirmed by the Navy in 2009, when another swap agreement was signed between the Navy, BIW and Ingalls over work on DDG 1000 Zumwalt-class destroyers.

The sticky part comes with a clause in the original MoU: Should the twelfth LPD materialize, “a fourth DDG 51-class ship or equivalent workload would be awarded to [BIW] preceding, or concurrent with the award of LPD 28.”

By that logic, and with all destroyers already awarded through 2017, should the Navy sign an award in 2015, Bath should get an extra destroyer, either via an added ship in the budget — an extremely unlikely event — or by transferring an existing Ingalls ship contract to BIW.

“Our position is that the original agreement of four-for-four is still binding, and we’re currently at three-for-three,” Andrew Bond, director of strategic planning at Bath, said on June 6.

“We’re not in favor or against the LPD in the budget,” Bond said, “we just want the original terms of the agreement to hold. That would be that if LPD 28 is appropriated, that prior to the award of LPD 28 we would expect a DDG 51 to be awarded to BIW.

“We view it as a binding document from a business standpoint,” Bond added.

The Maine congressional delegation already is watching the issue closely. Steve Ogden, spokesman for Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, noted that, “it is Sen. King’s belief — which has been confirmed by the Navy — that the 2002 MoU, reaffirmed by the parties in 2009, is still in effect and that, per that understanding, the award of an additional LPD requires the Navy to award an additional DDG 51 destroyer to Bath Iron Works.”

On May 10, the Navy, in response to a request from King and other members of the Maine delegation, restated its support for the swap agreements.

“The Navy position is that the 2002 MoU remains in full force and effect and requires the Navy to award a DDG 51 or equivalent workload to BIW if the Navy awards the LPD 28 to HII,” the Navy said in the response. The statement also reiterated the requirement to award a fourth DDG 51 to Bath “preceding or concurrent with the award of LPD 28” to HII.

Ingalls declined to address the issue directly.

“While we do believe the MoUs remain in effect, it would be inappropriate to speculate on the potential impacts,” company spokesman Beci Brenton said on June 6.

In documents obtained by Defense News, however, Ingalls argues that a fourth destroyer already has been awarded, and that no DDG 51 should be transferred should the company receive the LPD 28. A May 14 memo from the law firm of Crowell Moring — hired by HII to examine the issue — contends that the MoU makes no mention of non-competitive sourcing, and that the award of DDG 116 to Bath in 2012 satisfied the requirement.

DDG 116 was the third ship of three ships the Navy sought bids from. Ingalls received one ship, Bath received one ship and, as explained by the Navy, Bath received the extra ship because of a better bid.

Crowell Moring argues that the better bid doesn’t matter, that competitive pricing is not a requirement in the MoU, and the extra ship satisfies the MoU.

In the documents, the firm points out that the company “did not receive full benefit of the bargain” from the 2009 swap agreement, and details numerous inconsistencies between how the Navy interpreted the two agreements.

The Navy — which repeatedly has stated it does not want to invest in a twelfth LPD — declined to provide more information to Defense News.

While the swap agreements remain in effect, Lt. Rob Myers, a Navy spokesman at the Pentagon, said on June 6, “it is important to acknowledge that the congressional process is proceeding and nothing is final. Until then, it is too early to comment. We continue to follow these discussions closely and if funds are authorized and appropriated we will work with our industry partners on the way ahead.”

Compounding the issue of interpreting the MoUs is whether lawmakers should consider them at all.

“Congress is never a party to those agreements,” Laura Chambers, spokeswoman for Rep. Steve Palazzo, R-Miss., said June 6.

It is also not clear what the binding nature of the MoUs is.

“I would think the Navy would operate in the best interests of the country,” said one Capitol Hill source. “If Bath has a steady and reliable workload and LPD 28 ensures that HII has a steady and reliable line of work in the smaller amphibious ship line, everybody should be happy with that. They should not look to give General Dynamics more business just for the sake of giving them more business. But if you’ve got laws that require that, so be it.”

One business analyst agreed there were larger issues afoot than simply interpreting the MoUs.

“It’s not so much about the ship, it’s about the competitive dynamics of the two largest shipbuilders in the US,” said Byron Callan of Capital Alpha Partners.

Whether LPD 28 comes about could also be a factor in the future LX(R) amphibious ship replacement program, Callan said, and could affect GD’s shipyard in San Diego, the National Steel and Shipbuilding Company (NASSCO).

“From GD’s standpoint, trying to get a leg up for NASSCO on LX(R), I’d try and figure out how to make this as painful as possible for the Congress and the Navy,” Callan said. “If Ingalls doesn’t get LPD 28 [and the production line ends], NASSCO or Bath will be in a much stronger position to compete for future amphibious needs.”

Interesting legal wrangling.

I personally have always believed they needed 12 San Antonio LPDs, and we are going to build quite a few more Burkes in any case.
 

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Interesting legal wrangling.

I personally have always believed they needed 12 San Antonio LPDs, and we are going to build quite a few more Burkes in any case.


Question really is this are they going for 33 amphibious ship force or 36 ship force that's 11+11+11 or 12+12+12 that's LHA+ LPD+LX(R)

Also if they go for 12 x LPD could that mean only 10 x LR(X) so cut one down if so then Bath Iron Works shouldn't get any Arleigh Burke compensation

On the other hand if they did go for 12+12 that's 12 x LPD and 12 x LX(R) then Bath gets a DDG

Anyway Congress can battle it out with USN it's too much politics here
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
You really think we'll build more Burks, with the Navy going as low as 250 or 260 ships?

Incorrect USN will cross over 300 ships post 2020 with the new builds and I can see over 100 Arleigh Burkes produced

I can also see new build of 2 x DDG and 1 x SSN running per year for the foreseeable future
 

Jeff Head

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You really think we'll build more Burks, with the Navy going as low as 250 or 260 ships?
Well, if you look at SD's Burke Class AEGIS DDG Threadhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/wor...ws-views-pictures-videos-6903.html#post290968 the current plans for the Burke currently call for the following:

1) Three more in what will be known as the Flight IIA Restart Program.
2) Seven additional in what will be known as the Flight IIA Technology Insertion Program
4) Then twelve to twenty-four more in the Flight III Program for the Ticonderoga Replacement Program.

On the low end, with the 62 that are already in service, this will add up to 84 Burkes. On the high-end, it will mean 96 Burkes.

Number 63 is already under construction and 64 will soon follow.

So yes, they are going to keep on building Burkes.
 

Blackstone

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So yes, they are going to keep on building Burkes.

Not saying you're wrong, Jeff, but with the budget cuts, every new ship means potentially deeper cuts in land forces, leading to zero-sum fights between the services. We got to get our European allies to provide more global security.
 
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