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HighGround

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Breaking Defense is reporting that the new frigate will be based on the Legend-class cutter (National Security Cutter - NSC) and is expected to be in the water by 2028. Apparently Navy Secretary John Phelan made these comments at a private dinner recently.

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I am not sure how this is better than Constellation other than it will be cheaper to build... I guess?
The hull will require a massive redesign. From what I understand, the cutter has a completely different criteria for survivability (it doesn't have to worry about naval mines and Chinese AShMs). And that's just for starters.

The weapons and power requirements are completely different from a cutter as well.

Now the good news is that if memory servers correctly, HII basically made an FFG(X) bid using the Legend class as hull base. So a lot of conceptual development is probably done. The bad news is that this bid was rejected probably for the reasons I outlined. Too many compromises made in terms of survivability and weapon systems.

Though argubaly, a cheap OHP style frigate is just what the Navy needs.
 

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- MQ-28 Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) shoots down an airborne target
- Groundbreaking mission showcases MQ-28 Ghost Bat's autonomous end-to-end combat capabilities
- Counter-air weapons engagement demonstrates power of crewed-uncrewed teaming between an MQ-28, E-7A and F/A-18F

WOOMERA, Australia, Dec. 9, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- In a historic achievement, Boeing [NYSE: BA] and the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) have successfully executed a force integrated air-to-air autonomous weapon engagement from an MQ-28 Collaborative Combat Aircraft.

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The landmark mission involved an MQ-28 Ghost Bat teaming with a RAAF E-7A Wedgetail and F/A-18F Super Hornet to destroy a fighter-class target drone.

"This is the first time an autonomous aircraft has completed an air-to-air weapon engagement with an AIM-120 missile, establishing the MQ-28 as a mature combat capable CCA," said Amy List, managing director, Boeing Defence Australia.

"This latest achievement proves the advantage specialized CCA platforms bring to defense forces' mission effectiveness, delivering increased operational mass and data exchange for informed decision-making while reducing cost and crewed pilot risk."

Key mission highlights:
  • The MQ-28, E-7A and F/A-18F launched from separate locations.
  • Once airborne, an E-7A operator took custodianship of the MQ-28 ensuring safety and engagement oversight.
  • The F/A-18F teamed with the MQ-28 in combat formation to provide sensor coverage, and once the Super Hornet identified and tracked the target, targeting data was shared across all three platforms.
  • The MQ-28 adjusted its position and received authorization from the E-7A to engage and successfully destroy the target using a Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM missile.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Breaking Defense is reporting that the new frigate will be based on the Legend-class cutter (National Security Cutter - NSC) and is expected to be in the water by 2028. Apparently Navy Secretary John Phelan made these comments at a private dinner recently.

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I am not sure how this is better than Constellation other than it will be cheaper to build... I guess?

For reference, here is what the FFG(X) Round 2 based on the NSC could look like:

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4500 tons displacement, 1x 57/76mm gun, 16x VLS cells, 8x NSMs, 11-cell SeaRAMs, 1x triple torpedo launcher and 8000 nautical miles of range at 10 knots.

So basically a 054A FFG, but worse in terms of air-defense capability (in exchange for better top speed due to having one gas turbine engine in CODAG propulsion system).
 
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Maikeru

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For reference, here is what the FFG(X) Round 2 based on the NSC could look like:

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4500 tons displacement, 1x 57/76mm gun, 16x VLS cells, 8x NSMs, 11-cell SeaRAMs, 1x triple torpedo launcher and 8000 nautical miles of range at 10 knots.

So basically a 054A FFG, but worse in terms of air-defense capability (in exchange for better top speed due to having one gas turbine engine in CODAG propulsion system).
TASS/VDS?
 

ismellcopium

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For reference, here is what the FFG(X) Round 2 based on the NSC could look like:

View attachment 166065

4500 tons displacement, 1x 57/76mm gun, 16x VLS cells, 8x NSMs, 11-cell SeaRAMs, 1x triple torpedo launcher and 8000 nautical miles of range at 10 knots.

So basically a 054A FFG, but worse in terms of air-defense capability (in exchange for better top speed due to having one gas turbine engine in CODAG propulsion system).
Just goes again to show how you'd really have to be either suicidal or utterly cynical to be a US military planner these days. The delightful choice between a frigate with 052D displacement and nowhere near the capability for a gorillion dollars, and whatever this pitiful tragedy is for not quite a gorillion. How is any sane person supposed to make decisions like that?
 
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