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Tootensky

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If F-15 is so modern then why is it that the F-14 which had its first flight 2 years before the F-15 has been phased out for close to 20 years now? F-15 is alive because in the 2000s era of bombing sand and goatherds it, along with the F-16, was considered "meh, good enough". That, and that it's development was being kept on life support by foreign buyers (same thing with F-16). Would F-15 still be alive today if it weren't for SK, Singapore, Israel, Qatar? How many times has it been now where LM went "Okay, now we're REALLY closing the production line, buy something else."? And how many times has the US Air Force declared need for new platforms and said that they're phasing out a model, but this time for reals though? F-15, F-16, A-10, F-22, U-2...

It's the same case you get with your old shoes. They may have holes, their soles might be paper thin, but you still go "It's fine, nobody's going to notice if I just wear them around the house". And that's fine, but don't pretend they're better than your neighbor's brand new Jordans.
 

Tootensky

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Probably, at least in the export markets. Getting an F-15/F-16 platform was the only choice for dozens of countries updating their fleets in the 2000s/2010s. Eurofighter was always way behind the curve, and chosing a Russian platform was déclassé. Once Rafale caught up, it really started running US platforms out of business. And now with the 5th gen around, everyone wants to make their own platform themselves...
 

aahyan

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US SDA demos laser links crucial for future SATCOM, missile tracking network​


WASHINGTON — Space Development Agency (SDA) Director Derek Tournear announced today that the agency has successfully demonstrated the ability of its
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together — a capability that he
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as the longest pole in the tent for its planned mesh network of data transport and missile warning/tracking satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO).

“To date,” he told the annual Defense News conference, “we had not demonstrated laser communication, to be able to do that and form that network — that’s what I was prepared to come in here and say. But last night, we actually demonstrated it.”

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aahyan

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to Ukraine

There are
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to transfer
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to Ukraine as part of an upcoming aid package that will be executed in the coming weeks. While the JASSM is more advanced than any standoff weapon in Ukraine’s inventory and it would provide enhanced capabilities, its biggest benefit is that the U.S. government could supply a steady flow of the weapons, greatly expanding the number of high-priority target sets Ukraine can strike deep behind enemy lines.

The reports that JASSMs could be on the way to Ukraine would fit with a claim from a top-ranking officer in that country
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that donated F-16 Vipers would feature an advanced standoff missile with a range of between 300 and 500 kilometers (186 to 310 miles) as
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. It also would provide a mission for Ukraine’s fledgling Viper fleet beyond air defense, without taking on greater risk. Ukraine has already
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delivered, as well as a precious Viper-trained pilot, although the circumstances of just how this occurred remain murky.

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siegecrossbow

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If F-15 is so modern then why is it that the F-14 which had its first flight 2 years before the F-15 has been phased out for close to 20 years now? F-15 is alive because in the 2000s era of bombing sand and goatherds it, along with the F-16, was considered "meh, good enough". That, and that it's development was being kept on life support by foreign buyers (same thing with F-16). Would F-15 still be alive today if it weren't for SK, Singapore, Israel, Qatar? How many times has it been now where LM went "Okay, now we're REALLY closing the production line, buy something else."? And how many times has the US Air Force declared need for new platforms and said that they're phasing out a model, but this time for reals though? F-15, F-16, A-10, F-22, U-2...

It's the same case you get with your old shoes. They may have holes, their soles might be paper thin, but you still go "It's fine, nobody's going to notice if I just wear them around the house". And that's fine, but don't pretend they're better than your neighbor's brand new Jordans.

F-14 is a swing wing design which is a lot harder to maintain. MiG-21 stayed in service a lot longer than MiG-23 in many air forces for the same reason.
 

SlothmanAllen

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I think for the F-15EX they made changes to the airframe which is what allows for its longer lifespan. Outside of that, it has modern electronics as well as the EPAWSS. So while it might be a 70s aircraft in terms of design, I think it is fair to say it rivals other most other modernized/new aircraft available.

I have no clue what they plan for Raptor modernization, nor actually what has been done to modernize its electronics over the years. I suspect that if NGAD gets delayed long enough, then you may see an F-15EX like modernization happen to the Raptor.
 

Tootensky

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F-14 is a swing wing design which is a lot harder to maintain. MiG-21 stayed in service a lot longer than MiG-23 in many air forces for the same reason.
I agree it was likely a contributing factor, but was it really a defining issue? Many countries keep their variable sweep aircraft flying without the US resources.
 

gelgoog

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SU27s first flight was 1977 F15s was 1972.
So they are both 70s designs.
Did you ever bother to look at what the initial Su-27 prototype looked like?

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The prototype also used the AL-21 engines from the Su-24 Fencer.

The airframe was redesigned in the 1980s and the engines were replaced with the brand new AL-31. They basically restarted the development of the aircraft from scratch in the middle of the program when they figured out the original design wasn't good enough.
 
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