That's why we use LifeSink™, the Mumbai train of lifesaving fixtures - supports up to 3 standard sailors* in the event of capsize.
*equivalent to 1 US sailor
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*equivalent to 1 US sailor
Even though a lot of Temu products are crap I find it hard to believe that the USAF products are exponentially better.
I’d like to imagine that they are either
a) Fake carbon fiber, just carbon fiber looking. However this doesn’t seem likely since the toilet is still porcelain.
b) Testing some new manufacturing techniques and choosing something that can be replaced easily in case it proves to be not up to grade. The main argument against this is the lack of 2000 press releases touting how some company’s “next generation production processes” are being used on “America’s flagship aircraft carrier” and “making an impact on the everyday lives of the sailors serving on board”.
The materials used for the two items seem counter-intuitive. You want a carbon fiber toilet to take the blow of the taco bomb. Maybe in this LGBTIQ era, it is the sink that has to stand up to abuse.
You were making a joke, but there is actually some truth in it
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I have been putting thought into them and best I can figure is since the basins are free standing mounted only to the bulkhead and to the plumbing. The lighter weight might be advantageous in that it means less risk of the basin coming free in the event of a violent shock to the ship. It’s also likely that the material was chosen to reduce rust issues that are common on metal surfaces.
the Toilet being mounted to the deck would not require such.
Do they use saltwater for the toilets and sinks in the CV's?. Rust could be it, if thats the case.
There is no way they're using saltwater. Imagine washing your face with saltwater. Yikes. , Even if they were using saltwater, basically all the plumbing would have to be plastic which I doubt.
They're almost certainly using RO or some kind of water purification system.
One would think that a plastic vacuum-formed sink would be cheaper and just as light or if the shape is too complex, then GFRP rather than CF would make more sense.
Anyway, other issue with the toilet (not the sink) ...
- The toilets on America’s two newest , causing problems throughout the ship.
- Outages in one toilet affected a wider grouping of toilets
- The ships use a scaled-up version of airliner toilets, using vacuum power to evacuate human waste.
- As a result, the system must regularly be cleaned with an expensive acid solution that costs $400,000 per use.
Not that. But it's a marine environment. There's no telling how many sailors come below deck salt water soaked or rinse out salt water in the basins. All fittings have to have a certain amount of salt-water corrosion resistance.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Oh I am sure there are many materials that could be Cheaper. However a number of questions come into play like fire resistance. Being a combat vessel Ford has to be designed to deal with fires.
Overall though this conversation lacks has been based on an assumption. We assume this is more expensive than it needs to be.
Back in 2018 Senator Chuck Grassly pulled the same stunt on a previous Air Force secretary asking why the USAF was looking on spending $10,000 on toilet seat covers. Those seat covers were for the C5M Super Galaxy. They cost that much because they were not a common component. The OEM Lockheed had originally designed them back in the late 1960s and manufacturing for new C5 was long cold. The USAF had ordered replacements about three times by then each very expensive as building the replacements meant they were custom made.
So $10,000.
Of course after that the USAF started making replacements for only $300 because they realized they could 3D print them now.
Basically if Mike Waltz found those sinks cost more than market value he would have the Navy Secretary on the grill after the Air Force’s $90,000 Bag of Bushings.
Overall though this conversation lacks has been based on an assumption. We assume this is more expensive than it needs to be.
Back in 2018 Senator Chuck Grassly pulled the same stunt on a previous Air Force secretary asking why the USAF was looking on spending $10,000 on toilet seat covers. Those seat covers were for the C5M Super Galaxy. They cost that much because they were not a common component. The OEM Lockheed had originally designed them back in the late 1960s and manufacturing for new C5 was long cold. The USAF had ordered replacements about three times by then each very expensive as building the replacements meant they were custom made.
So $10,000.
Of course after that the USAF started making replacements for only $300 because they realized they could 3D print them now.
Basically if Mike Waltz found those sinks cost more than market value he would have the Navy Secretary on the grill after the Air Force’s $90,000 Bag of Bushings.
Hearings like this devolve into partisan "gotchas" and nit-picks in an attempt to embarrass political opposition. Meanwhile, both parties will happily ignore cost and time overruns on... basically every major US defense project in the last twenty years with various degrees of egregiousness.
Overruns are probably inevitable, but there's a lot of areas where we could improve in terms of cost control.
