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SlothmanAllen

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Coyote II is meant to be part of a layered cake of C-UAS. Which is critical here because it’s not Coyote II or EW or lasers but an all of the above.
The price calculation is a strawman argument really because end game is well the Shahed is cheap the missile expensive what the missile protects is more expensive. Let’s face it a 10million dollar missile is cheaper than a 500 million dollar hospital or billion dollar power plant.
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I agree with the sentiment that that cost factor of interceptor vs. missile is not as important as some make it out to be. Obviously you don't want to shooting down $50,000 drones with $100 million missiles, but that is not what we are talking about here. On top of that, countries like China and the United States don't need to be as worried about those things as much since they have the money to afford a higher end solution.

As you pointed out, the Coyote II is part of a system of systems designed to target various UAS groups using various technologies. This isn't the only solution they are working to deploy, nor is this expected to cover all potential UAS threats.

I'd also like to point out that the order is a for a minimum of 6,700 Coyote II interceptors along with associated equipment. So there is probably a good chance more than 6,700 units with be delivered over the next couple of years.
 
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HighGround

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Coyote II is meant to be part of a layered cake of C-UAS. Which is critical here because it’s not Coyote II or EW or lasers but an all of the above.
The price calculation is a strawman argument really because end game is well the Shahed is cheap the missile expensive what the missile protects is more expensive. Let’s face it a 10million dollar missile is cheaper than a 500 million dollar hospital or billion dollar power plant.
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It's not really about cost though. It's more about scalability, mobility, and magazine size.

There's clearly a necessity for cheap, mobile EW perhaps on the platoon or even squad level.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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Ironhide said:
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A quick Google image search reveals that this image is years old and was speculated to not even be an SM-6 but an SM-2. I don't think its an active program any more going by some of the comments, but was part of some tests ongoing at the time.
 
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AndrewS

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SlothmanAllen said:
I agree with the sentiment that that cost factor of interceptor vs. missile is not as important as some make it out to be. Obviously you don't want to shooting down $50,000 drones with $100 million missiles, but that is not what we are talking about here. On top of that, countries like China and the United States don't need to be as worried about those things as much since they have the money to afford a higher end solution.

As you pointed out, the Coyote II is part of a system of systems designed to target various UAS groups using various technologies. This isn't the only solution they are working to deploy, nor is this expected to cover all potential UAS threats.

I'd also like to point out that the order is a for a minimum of 6,700 Coyote II interceptors along with associated equipment. So there is probably a good chance more than 6,700 units with be delivered over the next couple of years.
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You argue that the US can afford to waste money on 6700 Coyote II interceptors, but we can see that Russia alone is reportedly ramping to 3000 Shaheed per year.

My expect that these munitions be less than $25K each, possibly even coming in half that cost
US Coyote interceptors costing $100-200K each is still 4-8x more expensive than a Shaheed.

Given how cheap a Shaheed is, the logical action is for Russia to ramp up Shaheed production

And this is even before we consider what China could produce.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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AndrewS said:
You argue that the US can afford to waste money on 6700 Coyote II interceptors, but we can see that Russia alone is reportedly ramping to 3000 Shaheed per year.

My expect that these munitions be less than $25K each, possibly even coming in half that cost
US Coyote interceptors costing $100-200K each is still 4-8x more expensive than a Shaheed.

Given how cheap a Shaheed is, the logical action is for Russia to ramp up Shaheed production

And this is even before we consider what China could produce.
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I think attack-UAS are probably always going to outnumber counter-UAS. The Coyote is part of a larger system of systems that are both passive and active though, so defensive responsibilities don’t fall solely on it.

Another important thing to remember is that from the US perspective, its Air Force and Navy would be doing a lot of the heavy lifting for striking targets. Their strategy would be to degrade or destroy their enemies capability to utilize UAS like Shaheed. The situation Russia finds itself with in Ukraine is not how China and the United States wish to fight a war. They purchase the high-end systems and in numbers to avoid that type of conflict.
 
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