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Zichan

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A small update on the plan to install SM-6 and Tomahawk missiles on the Constellation class frigates. The SM-6 will not be much of a problem, as the frigate already comes with the common Aegis system and has the full length VLS cells, but the Tomahawk missiles will require an additional combat suite. There's a nice profile overlay of Constellation class over its parent FREMM frigate in the article. The superstructure of the USN ship is noticeably shorter, despite 10% larger displacement. Does the relatively lower center of gravity help with stability after taking damage?
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Heliox

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In fairness, combat roles do require someone to be able to withstand fairly harsh conditions. While I wouldn't word it the way that Heliox did nor place as much emphasis on that kind of mindset, recruits should be able to tolerate a large amount of hardship because fighting is dirty and brutal.

Yes, combat roles require people who can withstand harsh conditions. But we are talking more than just average, GI combat roles.

All fighter pilot programs include at a very early stage a series of psych profile evaluations. A friend of mine actually failed that and was diverted to multi-engine training (transport) instead. To be entrusted with a jet that cost $100m+ and a training program that also runs into the millions, the military is going to be looking for people with absolute belief in themselves who will go all out to win over the enemy. These people won't be and shouldn't be quitting over a stiff neck.

To draw a parallel, take a look at F1 drivers. Again, pilots entrusted to be the pointy end of a $300m+ racing program. Lateral G loads amplified by the helmet weight on the neck is a big issue. But the mindset that predicates world champions means that these drivers do not complain - they just quietly go about strengthen and conditioning their neck muscles in the gym.


That said, I would chalk US recruitment troubles more to the fact that it wasted lives in middle eastern wars with nothing to show for it. Dying/getting maimed for a meaningless cause doesn't exactly stoke patriotic sentiment.

No disagreement here but it is one of many
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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A small update on the plan to install SM-6 and Tomahawk missiles on the Constellation class frigates. The SM-6 will not be much of a problem, as the frigate already comes with the common Aegis system and has the full length VLS cells, but the Tomahawk missiles will require an additional combat suite. There's a nice profile overlay of Constellation class over its parent FREMM frigate in the article. The superstructure of the USN ship is noticeably shorter, despite 10% larger displacement. Does the relatively lower center of gravity help with stability after taking damage?
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The US Navy is trying to turn the Constellations into a mini-Arleigh Burke?

How does the 054A (and 054B) compare and contrast with this? Should China pursuit the same path as the US on this?
 

SlothmanAllen

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The retention problem for the USAF comes into play when they have to scrap the bottom of the barrel with their woke recruitment campaigns and start filling roles for alpha warriors with beta hipsters.

Please stop with this absolute MAGA talking point bullshit. What do you think did more to detract people from considering a career in the military: a couple years of promoting diversity and inclusion or two decades of fighting an illegal war with disastrous financial and humanitarian costs?
 

SlothmanAllen

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Sorry for double post, but can no longer edit above post!

The Constellation is going to have a similar displacement to the Type 052D. If anything it is under armed for its weight class.

I imagine power requirements and range play a role in that? I also remember that around the time of the decision to build the Constellation based on the FREMM it was often mentioned that sailors like the increased personal space the ship offered.
 

Heliox

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Please stop with this absolute MAGA talking point bullshit. What do you think did more to detract people from considering a career in the military: a couple years of promoting diversity and inclusion or two decades of fighting an illegal war with disastrous financial and humanitarian costs?

The discussion is about pilots and whether a stiff neck will cause them to quit (ie. recruitment and retention issues for elite roles/vocations)

If you want to talk about general recruitment and retention issues, I don't see why you're quoting me.
 

USTBasisRollCarry

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Please stop with this absolute MAGA talking point bullshit. What do you think did more to detract people from considering a career in the military: a couple years of promoting diversity and inclusion or two decades of fighting an illegal war with disastrous financial and humanitarian costs?
Neither are significant lol: total recruitment at 2-3% of the respective US birth cohort lagged by 18 years has been constant for decades. Nibbling around the edges of of small recruiting shortfalls is ultimately, irrelevant for everyone except those running the Pentagon's HR department.

US fiscal capacity was massive in the early 2000s -> you barely even notice an increase in interest expenses from the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and the humanitarian costs were nearly all concentrated in people that are not American. The disastrous humanitarian costs were not American humanitarian costs; the financial costs, more or less nonexistent. No one in the US cares about Afghanistan or Iraq because the costs are largely rounding errors for any US interest group worth mentioning and are only ever brought up to settle domestic political tiffs for disputes that do not remotely relate to Iraq or Afghanistan (for example, whether Brandon/Biden/Trump were stuffing ballot boxes at 3AM in Milwaukee)
 

HereToSeePics

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US fiscal capacity was massive in the early 2000s -> you barely even notice an increase in interest expenses from the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and the humanitarian costs were nearly all concentrated in people that are not American. The disastrous humanitarian costs were not American humanitarian costs; the financial costs, more or less nonexistent.

US bond yields have been on a steady decline through out the 1980s to now(even with the recent rate hikes, they're still considered historically low), which makes financing military expenditures (and all spending in general) extremely easy. But on the financial, military and geopolitical-goodwill fronts - the birds will have to come home to roost at some point, the question is whether we'll start seeing the evolution of those shifts within the next several years.
 
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