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Bradley Replacement to Outweigh Abrams Tank

By Matthew Cox Thursday, November 15th, 2012 1:18 pm
Posted in Land, DOD buzz blog

The Army’s high-priority battle wagon, the Ground Combat Vehicle, is likely to weigh as much as 84 tons, making it the heaviest armored vehicle on the battlefield.

The new weight estimate, released by the Congressional Budget Office, mean that the service’s replacement for the outdated Bradley fighting vehicle would be heavier than an M1 Abrams tank and weigh more than two current Bradleys.

The CBO latest working paper, “Technical Challenges of the U.S. Army’s Ground Combat Vehicle Program,” makes the GVC resemble overly ambitious Army programs that failed in the past such the Comanche attack helicopter, the Crusader self-propelled howitzer and the family of super vehicles under the failed Future Combat Systems program.


Even at that weight, the CBO maintains that the GCV “would still need to employ new electromechanical active protection systems to meet the Army’s survivability goal.”

The Army intends to replace about 40 percent of the Bradleys in its heavy combat brigades with GVCs. The Army issued a revised RFP in November 2010 after the initial solicitation were deemed too ambitious and created a real possibility that high technical risks and immature technologies would lead to spiraling costs and schedule delays.

The revised RFP left some flexibility in how the contractor could address the requirements and designated a manufacturing cost of between $9 million and $10.5 million per vehicle, an average procurement unit cost of $13 million per vehicle, and a sustainment cost of $200 per mile of operation.

Three teams submitted proposals.5 In August 2011, the Army awarded contracts valued at about $450 million each to two of the contractor teams: one led by General Dynamics Land Systems and the other by BAE Systems.

The Army announced an initial acquisition goal of 1,874 vehicles with production of the vehicle starting in 2018. The Bradley replacement must protect the crew and a nine-man infantry squad against a specified list of threats and be able to operate a wide range of conflict types by having three variable levels of protection according to the anticipated threat.

The requirement that the GCV carry a nine-man squad and the remaining crew inside the vehicle’s protected volume is a primary factor in setting the size, weight, and cost of the GCV, the CBO maintains.

The service’s fleet of medium-weight Stryker armored vehicles, which first fielded that capability in 2003, enjoyed a high rate of success in combat operations over the past decade.

But even at such a tank-like weight, the GVC’s survivibility will likely have to rely on its ability to avoid being engaged at all given the growing capabilities and attack angles of modern threats, the CBO maintains. And if the vehicle is engaged, designers try to prevent the threat from hitting the vehicle. That approach results in a “multilayered scheme—the “survivability onion”—in which armor is one of the last lines of defense,” according the CBO.

This sounds a lot like what the fleet of manned and unmanned ground vehicles under FCS was supposed to achieve. An extensive system of networked sensors would provide near-complete awareness of the situation around the vehicle while remote weapons killed most threats. The advanced networks would analyze and disseminate the intelligence and targeting data.

To date, however, the networks have not been able to provide the necessary information in a complete and timely manner, the CBO maintains. In 2011, the Directorate of Operational Test and Evaluation concluded that recent testing by the Army showed that the sensor and communication networks were still not ready for that task, CBO states. Furthermore, even proponents of network-based warfare agree that it may be impossible to establish sufficient situation awareness to avoid many engagements.

Heavy IFV's are more becoming the norm but this takes the CAKE!
 

solarz

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Heavy IFV's are more becoming the norm but this takes the CAKE!

I think this is in response to the US fighting insurgents more than a conventional army. In this case, it's more useful to get a platoon of soldiers onto the ground than a single battle tank.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Take a moment though and think about it. though solarz.

Although it is true that there are a number of IFV's now in production that weigh in at tank Weight. the latest Russian APC, the Namer just too name too Most of there aim is too and based on conflicts fought in there own back yard. Now think about deploying a 84 ton monster the Us is not fighting Canada or Mexico ( although that one might happen depending on the government vs Narco conflict). We tend too be deploying the aid of UN missions, Nato missions and the like that means we need too be there on the ground ASAP. 84 tons is a lot of weight too move.
 

jackliu

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Heavy IFV's are more becoming the norm but this takes the CAKE!

Why don't they put some tracks under Arleigh Burke and done with it. 84 ton APC, what a stupid idea, not going to mention mobility problem, but think of maintenance nightmare for that thing. And lastly, how easy of a target it is going to be against a traditional army that can fight back.
 

Air Force Brat

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Why don't they put some tracks under Arleigh Burke and done with it. 84 ton APC, what a stupid idea, not going to mention mobility problem, but think of maintenance nightmare for that thing. And lastly, how easy of a target it is going to be against a traditional army that can fight back.

I KNEW you had a sense of humor Jack, and here I'm afraid you're spot on, this is all a little off the wall.
 

bd popeye

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And lastly, how easy of a target it is going to be against a traditional army that can fight back.

Does not matter Jack.. If you knew the full capabilities of the ECM suite of an Arliegh Burke you'd sing a different tune. trust me if a nation tried to fight an Arliegh Burke.. a lot of their gear would be queer..as we said many, many years ago.
 

jackliu

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Does not matter Jack.. If you knew the full capabilities of the ECM suite of an Arliegh Burke you'd sing a different tune. trust me if a nation tried to fight an Arliegh Burke.. a lot of their gear would be queer..as we said many, many years ago.

Does this mean you want to see Burke on wheel? Because I am all in, about time we have Landcruiser

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Does this mean you want to see Burke on wheel? Because I am all in, about time we have Landcruiser

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Look, I can understand wanting more armor, more firepower, more soldiers, etc., etc. on these things, but even I believe 9,500+ tons is too large.

So, in the interest of cost reduction, maintainability, portablility, and common sense, I tell you, we have to be more agressive and draw the line right here and now!

So, I am going to pull the plug and go all out on the project management of the proposed fighting vehicle before it gets completely out of control, and more than halve that baby. Oorah!

No more than 4,500 tons on that land cruiser...not an ounce more!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Exactly At that weight No bridge is Safe. Now this is Supposed too be A IFV but moving 84 tons across uneven Terrain is a nightmare We already have issues with the Abrams And this is another twenty tons on top of that It's like a M1A2 with a Stryker parked on top.
Now mind you the version with the most info released is what this is based on that's BAE's offering Others were At one time A puma modification and GD both these other companies keep things quiet.
 

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Northrop Grumman Corporation and the U.S. Navy have taken a first critical step toward demonstrating that the X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System (UCAS) demonstrator can be maneuvered safely and wirelessly on the crowded deck of an aircraft carrier.
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In early November, the team successfully completed its first shore-based trials of a new wireless, handheld device called a Control Display Unit (CDU). Developed by Northrop Grumman, the device will allow deck operators to maneuver the X-47B by remote control on the carrier deck.
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