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siegecrossbow

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clockwork

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Why is it pathetic?
Why would you develop a strategic bomber that has worse (apparently maybe far worse if the "half" anchoring is accurate) payload than one in service?

I keep saying it, the US's lack of standards for its MIC (not to mention allowing itself to be raped arbitrarily hard cost-wise) will be its military downfall. It's already happening. They can't even make a simple HGV and if they can it's projected to cost **>$100M** each. It's like wondering why a kid who has been allowed to hand in the worst half-assed homework his entire life is a bad student with no work ethic.
 

gelgoog

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The B-21 is using basically F-35 engine without afterburner. Should be 125kN dry thrust with two engines. The B-2 uses F-16 engine without afterburner. Is 77kN dry thrust with four engines. So one has 250kN dry thrust and the other has 308kN dry thrust. So B-21 should have 23% less takeoff weight and payload than B-2. But be much cheaper to build.

Compare this with way older Tu-22M3 engine which has 145kN dry thrust.
 

GTI

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Why would you develop a strategic bomber that has worse (apparently maybe far worse if the "half" anchoring is accurate) payload than one in service?

I keep saying it, the US's lack of standards for its MIC (not to mention allowing itself to be raped arbitrarily hard cost-wise) will be its military downfall. It's already happening. They can't even make a simple HGV and if they can it's projected to cost **>$100M** each. It's like wondering why a kid who has been allowed to hand in the worst half-assed homework his entire life is a bad student with no work ethic.
Let’s not be silly about this. Disdain for the U.S aside and yes there are issues with its MIC - the doctrine has changed. Why would you put all of your eggs in one basket? The chance of them being shot down is higher in today’s world. You would want to have more distributed systems, plus they are also meant to act as sensor and relay nodes and do ISR and EW. Therefore they need more of them, not some [even more] expensive super stealth bomber, with insane payloads that would be a devastating loss if shot down. Same reason why some variants might even be unmanned with MUMT envisioned for the manned platforms.

You need to look at the numbers planned, which is 100 going up to a possible 145. At the height of the Cold War “only” 165 max B-2s were planned (with the end of the Cold War ultimately reducing that to about 21), this was at a time when the size of the US military was staggering and during the 80s expenditure was firmly above 6.5% of GDP (today it’s about 3.7%).

There are many other things which point to their decline, or MIC graft/corruption - but this isn’t it. Frankly it’s a very ignorant assessment. Users like Terran will be here soon to rip you a new one I suspect.

I’m now going to go take a boiling hot shower with bleach :)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Oh will I? I am so tired of the Trolling here I expect it.
The key factor here is that B2 exists and is in service. PAK da and H20 don’t. B21 is exactly where it was supposed to be a half sized B2 with the latest tech. And numbers. It may not have the huge volume but volume is no longer an absolute as precision and stand off options can gap fill.
 

Nobaru

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The key factor here is that B2 exists and is in service. PAK da and H20 don’t
Exist where? Hollywood movies & video games? You people aren't as good in gray zone game as you think of yourself. We didn't see B2s over Ukraine enforcing NFZ. A combat craft that is afraid of combat is show piece. And it doesn't matter you have bought one show piece & others didn't.
The key factor here is American hypersonic missile doesn't exist. This is era of cheap. easily mass produced drones & hypersonic that will fight real war. Not gold bars which will make a nation bankrupt.

You are not the only one who can play word puzzle. By the way i heard your service is going to buy 200+ B21(somewhat around that number) . Wake me up when you can do that. I bet you will be "moving into next generation tactical galactic super bomber" before buying 50(to be honest i don't think you can buy 20). :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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