Jura The idiot
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see, the US would quickly get rid of 4Gen if they weren't in 22t and growing national debt
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Jura The idiot
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how you doing NavyReco? in Twitter you said you were on holidays and posted a picture of some drink right?
keep us posted!
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And that is perhaps the biggest problem the US military procurement is facing, an inability to reasonably predict and schedule development and deployment of new military equipment. And to be frank it is not if they are lacking on damage control here.
This was and still is my main beef with the F-35, not because it is a potato/turkey, if you throw enough money at it any problem can be fix, it is the fact certain expenditures could and can be prevented and the money funneled into better stopgap measures. LM should be held criminally liable for this, but they are getting away scott free and laughing to the bank whereas other companies like Boeing gets the proverbial axe for even lesser sins. But I guess this is what a pork barrel project gets you.
TerraN_EmpirE
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It didn’t quite triple it doubled and a half.
You first have to adjust by inflation the estimate from 2014 if you figure in inflation becomes 694 Million. It’s also likely that in the interim it’s expanded to include other upgrades to the Raptor.
They canceled EPAWS for F15C and F15D but still wanted it for F15EX (which will come fresh from the factory with it) and F15E models.
The latest models yes but the last New F15C was decades. Same for F16C and F15E.
Changes like an AESA Radar or EPAWS have been made for brand new models but the US doesn’t buy a few of the latest export versions as they go along. So as Export Models like the “F16E” or “F15K” hit allied fleets the US retained and did minor upgrades every now and then doing a major refit. When the F16V package came out the USAF started refurbishing F16C blocks. But it’s not always as easy to replace a major feature of a fighter. Large feature like the radar or engine actually dictate the size of structural elements. Smaller add on changes may demand replacing other components especially in avionics. Avionics has been a huge point as in the last two decades computer advancement has been a massively evolving element. So what was state of the art a few years ago rapidly gets considered antiques. F16 was built as the lower budget fighter as such it was to have a more simplistic radar. YF16 was almost as simple as the radars of F5. But the time they went into production that had been upgraded significantly but this was still the early 1980s with last new F16 hitting the USAF in 2005. The critical issue here is between Blocks 50/52 and Block 60. As after block 60 the F16C started packing an AESA. In 2010 the USAF started adding SABR radars an AESA to F16 as tests it wasn’t until 2015 that they chose to do the full V package.
F15C however hit a number of stumbling blocks. 1) it’s actually older than most people think it lacks Fly by wire controls and it’s wiring is quite old, 2) issues of structural failure in Longeron and wing life.
F15E also lacks Fly by wire ironic as it was designed after F16 and F18 which both have that. It has a re-engineered wing and structures making it stronger and newer wiring. So it to has some issues of systems but was designed and built in the late 1980s early 1990s when the start of AESA radars was on, was fitted for pods and more computers. So more room for growth.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Everyone attacks LM but the Program office and subcontractors are also at fault. LM is the final contractor but they have to partner to build the bird and because of politics they are encouraged to “Spread the wealth”.
You used a critical criticism in you post “Pork barrel spending” That is a political term it references “Bringing home the “Bacon”. Who brings home the bacon? Politicians. They encourage spreading the program to their beck of the woods. To get money for their constituents. So who do you blame? The contractor who only get the contract by playing the game by the rules set by the pentagon? The Pentagon who plays by the rules set by the politicians? The Politicians who set the rules to spread money to their districts? Or the districts that want the money?
Jura The idiot
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is "doubled and a half" vaporware better than "triple" vaporware?
Come on Viktor, lets keep this conversation in context my friend, you took my statement that things drag on? to "beat to death" the whole US military and their procurement process???
Good grief man, we are talking about the real world, in particular you singled out "LockMart" as criminal?? Yep, LockMart has manufactured and delivered to the US Warfighter 180 + F-22's, and well over 300 F-35's single handedly? in reality nearly 500 5th Generation fighter aircraft....
To contextualize that, could you please tell me how many 5th Generation aircraft China has delivered??? Russia???, how about India???, France???, Germany??? the ONLY nation to export 5th Gen fighters to our neighbors has been the US??
So why don't we keep it real, and compare the US to our near peers?? or who ever you might propose is doing so much better??? I'll give you a clue! ah, no I won't,
and I'll tell you what, we've bought lots of Boeing aircraft, but surely you've given the X-32 a once-over??? the best airplane won, it was a competition, and we've got ourselves a hell of a little warbird....... Brat
Lets be honest, if President Putin or President Xi had a chance to acquire LockMart whole cloth for some small astronomical sum?? they would go for it, LockMart is the envy of the known fighter world. Nobody knows and produces L/O aircraft to the standard and performance of LockMart, throw Pratt and Whitney in there as a co-conspirator? and you have most of the package.
Yes, lots of other people build some very fine airplanes, a few of those are L/O 5th Generation fighter aircraft, but truth is nobody is able to replicate the performance and scale of LockMart/Pratt and Whitney!
So the only people wishing LockMart harm are the "BAD GUYS"! really the competition continues to whine and complain, but LockMart/Pratt and Whitney continue to deliver power and performance, more importantly to pilots, they do it in a "survivable platform", that is capable of operating in the most caustic counter air environment imaginable today.
Without LockMart, we would be another also ran 4th Gen Air Force!