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Jura said:

Dec 21, 2018 now MilitaryTimes:
The clash between Trump and his generals

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Shit!, the Trumpster is currently failing as "Commander in Chief", Sec Mattis, is/was a hell of lot smarter and more loyal than Mr. Trump! Seems the President ought to learn something from Gen Mattis, Gen Mattis has served this country, the Corp, and his President's with honor and distinction!

I don't appreciate those who can't, criticizing those who obviously can, the President ought to take a lesson from Gen Mattis, you've got to be a "good soldier", before you lead... something the President has missed on the way to the top....

this will cost the President with the troops, they take great umbrage at this kind of disrespect, that's why they had no respect for President's Clinton and Obama.

That is one area that Bush 41 and Bush 43 excelled in, course both of them were pilot's in the military......

Air Force Brat said:

Shit!,

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Air Force Brat said:

Shit!, the Trumpster is currently failing as "Commander in Chief", Sec Mattis, is/was a hell of lot smarter and more loyal than Mr. Trump! Seems the President ought to learn something from Gen Mattis, Gen Mattis has served this country, the Corp, and his President's with honor and distinction!

I don't appreciate those who can't, criticizing those who obviously can, the President ought to take a lesson from Gen Mattis, you've got to be a "good soldier", before you lead... something the President has missed on the way to the top....

this will cost the President with the troops, they take great umbrage at this kind of disrespect, that's why they had no respect for President's Clinton and Obama.

That is one area that Bush 41 and Bush 43 excelled in, course both of them were pilot's in the military......

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One doesn't have to be in the military in order to be an efficient president.

Equation said:

One doesn't have to be in the military in order to be an efficient president.

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please

Jura said:

please

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So you prefer President "Bones spur" instead?

Equation said:

So you prefer President "Bones spur" instead?

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nah Politics should be avoided here

(I know I've recently said Trump alienated me, but there was a context to it, I mean I wouldn't make a political statement just like that ...
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Jura said:

after Yesterday at 7:58 PM
I was thinking to add something (and just didn't), which is this:

Eastern Block Communists had been telling me the US 'played the role of World's cop', so now the World is upside down when Trump asks

"Does the USA want to be the Policeman of the Middle East",

and Trump alienated me;

the next post:

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Equation said:

One doesn't have to be in the military in order to be an efficient president.

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NO.
@Equation give it a rest.
Remember he was the one who started Libya and took us into Syria.
He was also in charge during the Arab spring and ISIS rise. His one hope for a major win was the Iran deal.. that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. A sweet heart play for the Iotolas that let them getaway Scot free.


President Trump basically said day one he wanted out of Syria, like it or not he was going to get it.
Besides what were we actually doing there?
Not fighting Assad, not Fighting Iran, Not fighting IS. The point was basically to keep our so called ally Turkey from slaughtering the Kurds, AGAIN. The one group in the mess worth a damn, and we'll fact is it's not a total withdrawal of support. The other job was to keep the Iranian groups from setting up shop in the Israeli boarder and starting yet another war.

He also wanted Afghanistan straightened out. Yet the DOD and State seem to be pushing for trying to reconcile the Taliban and Afghan government.
Yet the Taliban has made it clear they don't consider the Afghan government as legit and are only using the negotiations to try and get a US NATO pull out. basically repeat The fall of Saigon. The Afghan national army basically is a farce. Almost 20 Years of fighting and corruption and betrayal and its back to square one. It's only a matter of time before the Taliban ride around Kabul with the Afghan government's heads on pikes.

Ukraine, there is no realistic return of Crimea and the two sides seem more than happy to stalemate this into a mini cold war. President Trump can't talk to Putin the flames of alleged Russian collusion in his election have burned that bridge. Putin didn't help either with the poisonings, military actions, gaming of military rearmament.

He's not happy with the general's he has I can understand that a bit. Let's face it we have been spinning our wheels for almost two decades here, and right now the middle East is as much if not more of a mess than it was September 11, 2001.
The president is frustrated. Dealing with fire after fire every order countermanded or sabotaged every policy questioned and spun. Constant reports of leaks. Never ending calls for unconfirmed and unwarranted impeachment.
Trump is by personality a short temper when nudged he shoves when tapped he punches. Even now a BS push to try and remove the electoral college.
It's a Presidentcy under siege.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

NO.
@Equation give it a rest.
Remember he was the one who started Libya and took us into Syria.
He was also in charge during the Arab spring and ISIS rise. His one hope for a major win was the Iran deal.. that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. A sweet heart play for the Iotolas that let them getaway Scot free.


President Trump basically said day one he wanted out of Syria, like it or not he was going to get it.
Besides what were we actually doing there?
Not fighting Assad, not Fighting Iran, Not fighting IS. The point was basically to keep our so called ally Turkey from slaughtering the Kurds, AGAIN. The one group in the mess worth a damn, and we'll fact is it's not a total withdrawal of support. The other job was to keep the Iranian groups from setting up shop in the Israeli boarder and starting yet another war.

He also wanted Afghanistan straightened out. Yet the DOD and State seem to be pushing for trying to reconcile the Taliban and Afghan government.
Yet the Taliban has made it clear they don't consider the Afghan government as legit and are only using the negotiations to try and get a US NATO pull out. basically repeat The fall of Saigon. The Afghan national army basically is a farce. Almost 20 Years of fighting and corruption and betrayal and its back to square one. It's only a matter of time before the Taliban ride around Kabul with the Afghan government's heads on pikes.

Ukraine, there is no realistic return of Crimea and the two sides seem more than happy to stalemate this into a mini cold war. President Trump can't talk to Putin the flames of alleged Russian collusion in his election have burned that bridge. Putin didn't help either with the poisonings, military actions, gaming of military rearmament.

He's not happy with the general's he has I can understand that a bit. Let's face it we have been spinning our wheels for almost two decades here, and right now the middle East is as much if not more of a mess than it was September 11, 2001.
The president is frustrated. Dealing with fire after fire every order countermanded or sabotaged every policy questioned and spun. Constant reports of leaks. Never ending calls for unconfirmed and unwarranted impeachment.
Trump is by personality a short temper when nudged he shoves when tapped he punches. Even now a BS push to try and remove the electoral college.
It's a Presidentcy under siege.

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And WHO started all this regime changing in the Middle East? Yes Bush Sr (41) and than follow by Bush Jr.(43) that created this economic mess and instability in the Middle East. ISIS wasn't form because of Obama.

Jura said:

nah Politics should be avoided here

(I know I've recently said Trump alienated me, but there was a context to it, I mean I wouldn't make a political statement just like that ...
found it, it's
Dec 21, 2018
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It's not politics but the policies that this current administration had created. It's ALL on him (meaning Trump) that he started on a lot of issues just to get the masses to turn away from his Russian collusion.

Equation said:

One doesn't have to be in the military in order to be an efficient president.

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Actually you probably do, if you recall on Mr. Obama's last visit to China, they wouldn't roll out the air stair, so Obama could exit the front of the aircraft, he had to go down the back ramp stair! The Chinese hated Obama, never seen anything like it, well lots of people will continue to hate this guy for a long time,,,,

So I don't hate Obama, but he hated traditional American values, loathed the military, and the feeling was mutual.. but I'd still buy him a one way plane ticket anywhere on the planet, hell, I'll buy him a trip to the Moon or Mars!