US Financial Crisis/Bailout, China's Role

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Why China Won’t Throw A Lifeline To The West

October 12, 2008 at 3:35 pm


With all the chaos on world’s markets, it is easy to overlook developments in China. The biggest piece of Chinese domestic news is the decision to give limited rights to land use to China’s farmers. This decision came out of the Third Plenary Session of the 17th Party Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (三中全会), which is now convening in Beijing.

The overall thrust of this meeting is to focus on the development of rural China, which has not fared so well as the east coast cities. If the cities continue to develop, and the countryside continues to stay poor, you have the recipe for social unrest on a large scale.

The salient points about China’s development are that China has about 1/3 the arable land of the developed economies for farming, and about 500M live in cities, while 800M continue to be rural Chinese. National development plans (many of which were formulated under Jiang Zemin, who came from Shanghai) called for the urbanization of China.

China’s first 30 years of reforms required the development of the eastern coast to attract foreign capital, and to make the companies and the westerners who came to China feel comfortable. Only when they had reached some level of comfort, and were attracted by the market potential would the capital follow. They became comfortable and the capital and trade followed.

And now the westerners living in Beijing, Shanghai and the west expect the Chinese with their nearly US2T in foreign reserves to bail out the western economies? Let me tell you why it won’t happen.

* Successive Chinese regimes have always lost power when they coddled the urban elite and ignored the needs of the countryside. This was how Mao rallied the Communists, surrounded the cities (the strategy was called “using the villages to surround the cities” or “乡村包围城市”), then threw out Chiang Kai-shek in 1949. Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao know this, and know that they need to swivel around and develop the countryside so that the wealth gap can be narrowed.
* The Chinese government will focus on developing a new size of town, which in Chinese is called the 城镇 or village town. This will be mainly a distribution, education and trading center for farmers and their families in the immediate vicinity. Population will be 250-500K.
* For the next 15-30 years, the cities will stagnate in growth. People will not lose their homes the way they do in the US since China does not have foreclosure laws, but their salaries will not go up. Many of the wishes new university grads entering the workforce hoped they had will just become dreams. Somehow they will have to learn to live in this new drastically changed environment.
* The Chinese government is already talking about the development of rural infrastructure including rural insurance, microlending, etc.
* Many young Chinese who would have scoffed at the idea of working in the countryside will now go there, simply because job opportunities in the east coast cities will be limited. This, in turn, will help to clean out the party apparatus in the countryside, which has been seen as generally corrupt.
* Western companies will not benefit too much from this next stage of development because they do not, for the most part, understand how to sell to the bottom 2/3 of the Chinese pyramid. Most only know how to sell to the top 1/3 in the cities. Companies which will prosper are those who sell to the “local local economy”, or bottom 2/3, as Jack Perkowski calls it, as opposed to the “local foreign economy”. The local foreign economy is city-based on China’s east coast; the local local economy is mainly rural and inland.
* The companies which will survive and prosper are the swift pivoters who can quickly learn how to sell to the “local local economy”. This means that they made some money in export manufacturing, but now switch to sell domestically to Chinese consumers in the new inland towns and cities. Not many companies can do this, but those that do will do well. Most will be entirely new businesses, and local Chinese brands will have an advantage.
* This next stage of development will require a lot of money. Those foreign exchange reserves of US2T will be needed by China. Now, if you ruled China and you had the choice of 1) lending the money to the west, which has just acted about as irresponsibly as anyone can imagine or 2) investing the money in China to narrow the wealth gap between rich and poor, city and countryside and keeping your regime in power for more than a half century, what would you do? I think that it’s a pretty easy choice.

China may now have the world’s largest foreign exchange reserves, but that is not what makes a country a superpower. The recent tainted milk scandal has shown that it is still lacking controls in many key areas, and it is far short of being a developed nation. Instead, China is a developing nation with rich reserves it needs for its own development.

In order to become a developed nation with a developed economy, it needs to spend that money on building its own infrastructure and narrowing the wealth gap between the developed cities on China’s east coast and the inland countryside. Any Chinese regime which acts otherwise would be making a very risky decision, and would be putting the future of its own rule in jeopardy.

China can manage without export markets, but it cannot survive if its own countryside is in turmoil.
 

AssassinsMace

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China more probably hasn't any choice. If Americans complain about China not throwing a lifeline then that's their own fault since before they were completely paranoid of any kind of Chinese investment. Given the opportunity, Beijing would jump at the chance to invest or aquire a "brand" name.
 

flyzies

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We keep hearing about the $2T reserves, yes that's alot...but my understanding is that China cant just withdrawal that money from US economy anytime they want. All that money was built up as a result of yuan being pegged to the US dollar all those years, plus all the massive trade surpluses with US - which ultimately meant China was (and still is) receiving alot more US dollars than she was spending back. All those extra US dollars has to go somewhere, and to avoid their money losing value (in cases like a sudden drop in value of US dollar or switching to Euros) China invested them back in US bonds.
So China is kind of in between a rock and a hard place; invest more in US economy and see its previous investments regain their value, or invest somewhere else and see value of those previous investments wiped out.
 

SampanViking

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Yes but who would want to buy them?

China now holds a vast sum of near worthless bonds which only retian a value because the US Fed dare not admit that they are worthless and on which they must still at least pay (or a re due to pay) interest.

The Bail out however is itself worthless if nobody is prepared to buy yet more bonds and under current circumstances this is unlikely as it would be throwing good money after bad.

Will China bail outthe Western Banking System? well maybe, but only on the terms that it dictates and certainly will not be for more bonds. I see a very similar situation in which Britain found itself post WW2 when Milton Keynes was dispatched to Washington to raise rescue finance for the Bancrupt British economy. He got it ..... eventually..... but at a huge price. It included not simply expensive loans, but Diplomatic Agreements in relation to the dismemberment of the Empire, the withdrawel of British forces from Colonial Outposts and the transfer of strategic Assets (Bases) direct to the US.

Do not expect anything less from the PRC!
 

King_Comm

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The US could get aways with harsh terms because western Europe still relies on it for defence against the Soviet Union after WWII, and the US was far more powerful than the UK, and China does not have there two advantages over the west.
 

daveman

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Yes but who would want to buy them?

China now holds a vast sum of near worthless bonds which only retian a value because the US Fed dare not admit that they are worthless and on which they must still at least pay (or a re due to pay) interest.

The Bail out however is itself worthless if nobody is prepared to buy yet more bonds and under current circumstances this is unlikely as it would be throwing good money after bad.

Will China bail outthe Western Banking System? well maybe, but only on the terms that it dictates and certainly will not be for more bonds. I see a very similar situation in which Britain found itself post WW2 when Milton Keynes was dispatched to Washington to raise rescue finance for the Bancrupt British economy. He got it ..... eventually..... but at a huge price. It included not simply expensive loans, but Diplomatic Agreements in relation to the dismemberment of the Empire, the withdrawel of British forces from Colonial Outposts and the transfer of strategic Assets (Bases) direct to the US.

Do not expect anything less from the PRC!
Viking, stop wasting your breath. These are mostly Maynard fans and don't know the first thing about ecnomics 101. The U.S. is done.
 

daveman

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The US could get aways with harsh terms because western Europe still relies on it for defence against the Soviet Union after WWII, and the US was far more powerful than the UK, and China does not have there two advantages over the west.

The U.S. is done. No outside conquest is needed, it will be completely internal.

Finally, after 200 years of abberation, China can put the west in its place again...

Oh well, that's what the west gets for abandoning Christianity.
 

Gollevainen

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Yeas Daveman, one more arrogant and cocky statement into any direction and you are done...:nono:

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